Comments on: Fianna Fail and the Tribunal http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/ An Irish woman's social, political and domestic commentary Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:50:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Gordon Davies http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226466 Gordon Davies Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:13:11 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226466 Score so far FG 2 FF about 200 or more... Crewser has lost that argument. Gordon Score so far FG 2 FF about 200 or more… Crewser has lost that argument.

Gordon

]]> By: Mark Waters http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226445 Mark Waters Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:28:18 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226445 See what I mean? It's brilliant. You can set it up to output the same content in a million different ways. See what I mean? It’s brilliant. You can set it up to output the same content in a million different ways.

]]> By: The Crewser http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226439 The Crewser Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:08:55 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226439 Not so Gordon its just that FF politicians would not have the preachy holier than thou attitude of Enda Kenny if they were in opposition. Why is it ok to allow The Mahon Tribunal take its course in the case of his politicians and not in the case of members of other parties. I know its because Bertie has caused FG to be perennial losers in General Elections but thats not good enough as far as I am concerned. Not so Gordon its just that FF politicians would not have the preachy holier than thou attitude of Enda Kenny if they were in opposition. Why is it ok to allow The Mahon Tribunal take its course in the case of his politicians and not in the case of members of other parties. I know its because Bertie has caused FG to be perennial losers in General Elections but thats not good enough as far as I am concerned.

]]> By: Mark Waters http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226432 Mark Waters Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:44:19 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226432 Crewser, where can I get that software you have that scans blogs for mentions of your name and automatically posts boiler-plate responses? It's really good, very lifelike. Crewser, where can I get that software you have that scans blogs for mentions of your name and automatically posts boiler-plate responses? It’s really good, very lifelike.

]]> By: V http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226392 V Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:07:18 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226392 Andrew Mate... I don't bother reading comments anymore on threads which feature Crewser because I know 'it' ruins the debate. Nothing 'it' says contains any relevance to points being discussed or a desire to discuss anything. Crewser is the human personification of 'spam' and as you well know, a political tactic is to reduce the debate to ridicule. As Orwell said, it is like a person standing up in the middle of a chess match and accusing the other of adultery. Even if you ignore 'it', 'it' still comes back again and again with the same old tactic and SOMEONE always rises to the bait. 'It' is human 'spam' and nothing else. Andrew Mate…
I don’t bother reading comments anymore on threads which feature Crewser because I know ‘it’ ruins the debate. Nothing ‘it’ says contains any relevance to points being discussed or a desire to discuss anything. Crewser is the human personification of ‘spam’ and as you well know, a political tactic is to reduce the debate to ridicule. As Orwell said, it is like a person standing up in the middle of a chess match and accusing the other of adultery. Even if you ignore ‘it’, ‘it’ still comes back again and again with the same old tactic and SOMEONE always rises to the bait. ‘It’ is human ‘spam’ and nothing else.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226343 Sarah Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:53:40 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226343 Gordon: I agree completely.The last ten years has seen waste and poor planning on an scale that amounts to immorality. Where do FF get reputation of sound management from? Its bungling and incompetence from one week to the next. Gordon: I agree completely.The last ten years has seen waste and poor planning on an scale that amounts to immorality. Where do FF get reputation of sound management from? Its bungling and incompetence from one week to the next.

]]> By: Rob Hickey http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226340 Rob Hickey Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:47:22 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226340 unfortunately Cowen's reputation is only being tarnished in the eyes of those who already feel that FF is a cancer on Irish politics (cancer / parasite - you choose). It will take a lot more to convince the stubborn FF support to use their heads and start thinking about who they should let into government. unfortunately Cowen’s reputation is only being tarnished in the eyes of those who already feel that FF is a cancer on Irish politics (cancer / parasite – you choose). It will take a lot more to convince the stubborn FF support to use their heads and start thinking about who they should let into government.

]]> By: Gordon Davies http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226326 Gordon Davies Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:02:31 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226326 Did any of you read Jonathan Dimbleby's article in the ST? How many of you, like me, compared his analysis of Russia today with our situation here? Not as dramatic, perhaps. However, a large section of the electorat seems to have traded all their critical faculies to analyse what is happening for the sake of a short lived binge. The present situation in which the party in power fawningly supports a leader who has already admitted to taking money from businessmen for his own personal gain, tax defaulting and using his parties money for his own, and his families (Cecelia was familiy at the time) use is a disastrous undermining of any notions of democracy transparence and ethics in public life. Playing the patriotic tune - Ahern and the Good Friday agreement - is a smokescreen. I firmly believe that the way Bartholomew managed his personal and constituency finances is an accurate reflection of FF's bumbling record in managing public finances and public infrastructure projects during their reign. Like Putin, they benefited from a favorable economic climat that was not of their making, and were able to disguise their incompetence and self-interested mal-administration. Yes, we had the Celtic Tiger, but in competent hands we could have used the new found riches to sort out the health service, improve schools, invest in broadband and other elements of the "knowledge economy" that is rapidly becoming an inattainable aspiration. Gordon Did any of you read Jonathan Dimbleby’s article in the ST? How many of you, like me, compared his analysis of Russia today with our situation here? Not as dramatic, perhaps. However, a large section of the electorat seems to have traded all their critical faculies to analyse what is happening for the sake of a short lived binge.

The present situation in which the party in power fawningly supports a leader who has already admitted to taking money from businessmen for his own personal gain, tax defaulting and using his parties money for his own, and his families (Cecelia was familiy at the time) use is a disastrous undermining of any notions of democracy transparence and ethics in public life. Playing the patriotic tune – Ahern and the Good Friday agreement – is a smokescreen.

I firmly believe that the way Bartholomew managed his personal and constituency finances is an accurate reflection of FF’s bumbling record in managing public finances and public infrastructure projects during their reign. Like Putin, they benefited from a favorable economic climat that was not of their making, and were able to disguise their incompetence and self-interested mal-administration. Yes, we had the Celtic Tiger, but in competent hands we could have used the new found riches to sort out the health service, improve schools, invest in broadband and other elements of the “knowledge economy” that is rapidly becoming an inattainable aspiration.

Gordon

]]> By: Andrew http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-226286 Andrew Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:30:34 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-226286 How do you know that a politician knows he's in the wrong and can't win a moral argument? He says he 'won't take lectures' from his accuser. It's a favourite of Cowen's, so expect to hear plenty more of it. How do you know that a politician knows he’s in the wrong and can’t win a moral argument? He says he ‘won’t take lectures’ from his accuser. It’s a favourite of Cowen’s, so expect to hear plenty more of it.

]]> By: Andrew Lawlor http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/comment-page-1/#comment-225999 Andrew Lawlor Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:29:12 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/27/fianna-fail-and-the-tribunal/#comment-225999 Sarah, I have to say that I am extremely disapointed wlth your decision to moderate Crewser's comments. It seems to me to be completely anathema to what this whole blogging lark should be about. To the best of my knowledge he hasn't made any wildly libelous claims, nd if he does you can easily delete those specific comments, as you do with other contributors. Also, although extremely robust in his argument, I don't believe that he has been personaly nasty towards any other visitors to the site. In fact it is he who is quite often on the recieving end of this type of abuse. I know that this is your private site, which you have every right to run as your own personal fiefdom, but it was the open and unrestricted debate which drew me here initially. I hope that that open debate will continue. The moderation of the most obviously dissenting view only feeds the belief that the argument against this corrupt cabal cannot stand up to scrutiny. Another thought is that you might be doing it to protect your position at the ST. I'm not saying that this is the case, but I can think of one contributor who would jump all over it. Sarah,
I have to say that I am extremely disapointed wlth your decision to moderate Crewser’s comments. It seems to me to be completely anathema to what this whole blogging lark should be about. To the best of my knowledge he hasn’t made any wildly libelous claims, nd if he does you can easily delete those specific comments, as you do with other contributors. Also, although extremely robust in his argument, I don’t believe that he has been personaly nasty towards any other visitors to the site. In fact it is he who is quite often on the recieving end of this type of abuse.

I know that this is your private site, which you have every right to run as your own personal fiefdom, but it was the open and unrestricted debate which drew me here initially. I hope that that open debate will continue.

The moderation of the most obviously dissenting view only feeds the belief that the argument against this corrupt cabal cannot stand up to scrutiny.

Another thought is that you might be doing it to protect your position at the ST. I’m not saying that this is the case, but I can think of one contributor who would jump all over it.

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