Comments on: Developers in small towns http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/ An Irish woman's social, political and domestic commentary Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:50:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: ragsyrudolph http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-237794 ragsyrudolph Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:01:52 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-237794 It is not only education that is suffering. The lack of community space and the development of "green space" within towns is causing problems within communities. The zoning of a recreational site within Gorey will cause future councils to spend unecessary money on building a community area after bad zoning has destroyed a perfectly good space. The short- sightedness is astonishing and the lack of ability or wish to deal with the problem is crazy. This is caused by land in town used for recreational activities zoned for mixed planning. The developers move in do a land swop and before you blink there is yet another fee paying, empty car park in town. It is not only education that is suffering. The lack of community space and the development of “green space” within towns is causing problems within communities. The zoning of a recreational site within Gorey will cause future councils to spend unecessary money on building a community area after bad zoning has destroyed a perfectly good space. The short- sightedness is astonishing and the lack of ability or wish to deal with the problem is crazy. This is caused by land in town used for recreational activities zoned for mixed planning. The developers move in do a land swop and before you blink there is yet another fee paying, empty car park in town.

]]> By: Tom N http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-216626 Tom N Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:11:04 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-216626 We have already seen the Greens collapse on Ahern's finances, why won't they collapse on everything else? We have already seen the Greens collapse on Ahern’s finances, why won’t they collapse on everything else?

]]> By: Gordon Davies http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-216466 Gordon Davies Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:03:53 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-216466 Sarah M, Unfortunately, the Government has only a very passive role in providing education in this country. The initial cop-out so as not to upset the churches, pre independence, has been maintained by successive regimes ever since. It is the "patrons" who have the active role in intiating and maintaining school provision. The Government will not even provide funding to replace rt-infested pre-fabs. Until the Government and local authorities start taking on a more pro-active role then all the spin about the so-called knowledge based economy will remain a branch of atmospheric thermodynamics... hot air! Gordon Sarah M,

Unfortunately, the Government has only a very passive role in providing education in this country. The initial cop-out so as not to upset the churches, pre independence, has been maintained by successive regimes ever since. It is the “patrons” who have the active role in intiating and maintaining school provision. The Government will not even provide funding to replace rt-infested pre-fabs.

Until the Government and local authorities start taking on a more pro-active role then all the spin about the so-called knowledge based economy will remain a branch of atmospheric thermodynamics… hot air!

Gordon

]]> By: Sarah M http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215553 Sarah M Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:43:46 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215553 Laura....I agree with your sentiments but the builders are governed by rules of the County Council but the same rule shouldnt always apply as a general rule to all. Its not always necessary. I think its again, lack of thought for the necessities of a town. Dont start me on Management Companies! Laura….I agree with your sentiments but the builders are governed by rules of the County Council but the same rule shouldnt always apply as a general rule to all. Its not always necessary.
I think its again, lack of thought for the necessities of a town.
Dont start me on Management Companies!

]]> By: Laura http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215535 Laura Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:13:38 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215535 What use is it forcing developers to build a creche in a development with 74+ units however when you can't find anyone to open a creche? I live in such a development and for two years the space allocated to the creche has had no tenant. The space allocated to the creche would be much better utilised for communal facilities. i.e. Laundry rooms (most developments ban laundry on balconies) or an indoor playing/meeting facility for the children living in the development. I think forcing developers to allocate space for a specific purpose (i.e. a Creche) is just daft and gives no thought to whether a creche is actually needed in its specified location or what impact creche traffic will have in the development in the long run. It would be much better to allocate a certain amount of empty space but then allow the management company to decide what to do with it when all units are sold and the communal areas have been taken over. Our empty "creche" area is just a total waste of what could be a usable resource for all people living in the development including those without children. What use is it forcing developers to build a creche in a development with 74+ units however when you can’t find anyone to open a creche?

I live in such a development and for two years the space allocated to the creche has had no tenant. The space allocated to the creche would be much better utilised for communal facilities. i.e. Laundry rooms (most developments ban laundry on balconies) or an indoor playing/meeting facility for the children living in the development.

I think forcing developers to allocate space for a specific purpose (i.e. a Creche) is just daft and gives no thought to whether a creche is actually needed in its specified location or what impact creche traffic will have in the development in the long run.

It would be much better to allocate a certain amount of empty space but then allow the management company to decide what to do with it when all units are sold and the communal areas have been taken over.

Our empty “creche” area is just a total waste of what could be a usable resource for all people living in the development including those without children.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215426 Sarah Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:56:16 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215426 Good points especially the question of where contributions end up. No way do they benefit the local area. They get sucked into general administration. They should be ring fenced. Good points especially the question of where contributions end up. No way do they benefit the local area. They get sucked into general administration. They should be ring fenced.

]]> By: Sarah M http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215417 Sarah M Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:46:39 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215417 Sarah...Interesting move ...we'll see how it develops. The builder currently builds as part of their planning conditions a creche if the development is greater than 74 units, this has been in place for the past 4+ years. Prior to each sale closing the builder pays €11,000-€20000 per unit (depending on the county) to the local county council for water/sewer/public amenities/open spaces etc...These monies are supposed to be ring-fenced for the area in which the contribution to the council came from. Yet I am sure in many towns around Ireland, we dont see all the €€€ going back into the various towns. This doesnt grab much headlines. Also the builder provides 20% of their developement to either affordable / social housing. So....(1) Creche (2) Large monetary contribution to local authority (3) Social Affordable housing (4) Now schools..... whats next?? The builder should not be forced to provide schools when its the County Councils / Governments job to do that. Yet again, the builder is the fall guy for the lack of forwarding thinking from the Government.... Sarah…Interesting move …we’ll see how it develops.
The builder currently builds as part of their planning conditions a creche if the development is greater than 74 units, this has been in place for the past 4+ years. Prior to each sale closing the builder pays €11,000-€20000 per unit (depending on the county) to the local county council for water/sewer/public amenities/open spaces etc…These monies are supposed to be ring-fenced for the area in which the contribution to the council came from. Yet I am sure in many towns around Ireland, we dont see all the €€€ going back into the various towns. This doesnt grab much headlines. Also the builder provides 20% of their developement to either affordable / social housing.

So….(1) Creche (2) Large monetary contribution to local authority
(3) Social Affordable housing (4) Now schools…..

whats next??

The builder should not be forced to provide schools when its the County Councils / Governments job to do that. Yet again, the builder is the fall guy for the lack of forwarding thinking from the Government….

]]> By: Darren Mac an Phríora http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215342 Darren Mac an Phríora Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:57:37 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215342 As far as I'm concerned its Castleknock. Just because it is off the Navan road does not mean its not in Castleknock. As far as I’m concerned its Castleknock. Just because it is off the Navan road does not mean its not in Castleknock.

]]> By: Justin Mason http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215333 Justin Mason Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:45:11 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215333 ps: hooray! my comment got through!! ;) ps: hooray! my comment got through!! ;)

]]> By: Justin Mason http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/comment-page-1/#comment-215331 Justin Mason Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:43:26 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2008/02/11/developers-in-small-towns/#comment-215331 'If the Phoenix Park racecourse development is in Finglas then so is the Halfway House. Neither of them are of course.' true enough. it's the Navan Road. still not Castleknock... ‘If the Phoenix Park racecourse development is in Finglas then so is the Halfway House. Neither of them are of course.’

true enough. it’s the Navan Road. still not Castleknock…

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