But, Sarah, Bertie said he’s tax compliant. So what’s so funny. Do you think we have any reason to doubt the word of this great man. I mean ask any PAYE worker whom, just like Bertie, has all of his tax and PRSI deducted at source by their emoloyer. Sure there’s hardly a PAYE worker in the country thast’s tax compliant.
It’s those self employed that have it easy, what with calculating their liability, keeping the books straight not to mention retaining all documentation for six years.
Berties has worked for the public service all of his life. If, as he claims, he is a man of modest means, then there should be no complications with capital gains tax or anything else. Just straight forward, deducted at source income tax like any other PAYE worker in the state. Right?
Andrew, if all of Enda Kenny’s TD’s in Dail Eireann were as tax compliant as Bertie Ahern I could possibly give some credence to the Kenny man. But unfortunately they are not and so unlike Sarah and most other contributors to this site I am not prepared to join the rabble who are prepared only to look at any faults or alleged faults with Government deputies only.
I am still waiting on you Andrew give a view on this, Anne Devitts 20 Grand, and FG’s shredding of the Telenor document which was required by the Moriarty Tribunal.
Thats not what he said .. what he did say was he said . what he said was that he meant to say , and that is what he may have said , if he said it .. what the revenue said was not in fact what i said that i was ,,no that is not the position and if I said that I was wrong
Is that not clear enough for you !
An individuals tax affairs are a matter between the Revenue and the individual in question. You will not find comprehensive details on any register to my knowledge even in the case of public representatives as far as I am aware.
Crewser, check the record. This is the second time that I have had to remind you that I have said that if Anne Devitt took money for her vote she was wrong to do so. If Fine Gael shredded documents in breach of an order from the tribunal, that too was wrong. However, justbecause everyody else is at it does not make it right. I am very surprised that we seem to have resorted to the schoolyard level of debate.
Now, Crewser, I am waiting for you to clarify a couple of things for me.
1. How can a man who has been a PAYE worker all of his working life, a an who will tell any passer-by who will listen of his humble life, his eschewing of the trappings of material wealth, a man who allegedly is an accountant and who certainly worked as a book-keeper, a man who has access to the finest financial advice that money can buy and a man who served as minister for finance – how can this man have such tax issue so complicated that it takes over fourteen years to sort out?
2. Why would Gerry Brennan, Bertie’s solicitor at the time of his marriage seperation, take unto himself, in flagrant breach of strict solicitor / client confidentiality guidelines, the task of going begging to Bertie’s friends (and one or two who didn’t know they were Bertie’s friends), soliciting funds to help Bertie to pay his legal bills, a large portion of which were owing to Mr. Brennan himself, when he was fully aware that Bertie had at least IR£54,000 in cash at his disposal and probably IR£73,000 when you include the AIB loan taken out expressly to pay these very same legal bills?
Perhaps Andrew you may be poorly informed about the role of Mr Ahern’s Solicitor. I suggest to you that what you have stated may be inaccurate and I will not comment further on this matter.
In relation to Mr Aherns tax affairs, only people who are intent on doing the man down such as most contributors to this site believe that Mr Ahern has not been tax compliant during the period you mention. There is a certain devious motivation behind allegations which are being made. As I said earlier many opposition politicians are no more tax compliant as of today than Bertie Ahern is but neither you nor other contributors to this site have the slightest interest in this.
There is a witch-hunt underway against the best Prime Minister this Country has ever had. If the Mahon Tribunal are looking at any allegations made against the Taoiseach then it is up to the Mahon Tribunal to make a judgement on them, not you not Sarah Carey and certainly not Enda Kenny.
Clearly there maybe minor fine tuning to be done by Revenue at the end of the Tribunal in respect of Mr Ahern but there is absolutely no reason why he should stand down at the behest of Enda Kenny, Eamon Gilmore or anybody else pending the Mahon adjudication. If you are happy to wait for same in respect of Anne Devitt I am equally happy to wait in the case of Bertie Ahern.
Same old Crewser, dodging the difficult questions.
When the history of this whole, sorry saga is written Bertie Ahearn will be filed in the same category as Charlie Haughey, both of them as crooked as a Picasso.
I’m not naive enough to think that, in Dail Eireann, Fianna Fail are surrounded by an unsullied, saintly opposition, but neither should you, Crewser, be so naive as to fail or refuse to see what is obvious.
All that has been going on for the last few years has been the systematic obstruction of the tribunal. It was done by Lawlor and he escaped to the grave, Haughey, who managed to outlive the effectiveness of his obfuscation and lived to be indicted by the findings, and now by Ahearn. The aim of this is to get Bertie to retirement and out of the picture before the tribunal can deliver its findings. If Bertie had cooperated fully in private with the tribunal we would have reached this stage of investigation almost three years ago and God knows where we would be now.
So you want me to accept that because you are some sort of FG hack or apologist there is some sort of obligation on me to agree that some outline of events past present and future that you would approve of would be absolutely correct. Pull the other one Andrew.
Well, Crewser, there is a name for that ‘outline of events past present and future’. It’s called the bleedin’ obvious. As for ‘FG hack’, you well know where I am coming from, and it is not from within any political party. In fact, Crewser, a little more openness and a little less hiding behind your silly nom de plume would go a long way. There are one or two of us here who know exactly who you are, and the kind of patronage you have received from those at the top makes it impossible for you to be objective in this matter. He who pays the piper calls the tune, Crewser.
Let me tell you Andrew that I have never received patronage from anybody or any organisation and I am not currently a member of any political organisation. But I am not surprised that in your desperation you have resorted to a personal attack on me. It fits the pattern of those who would class themselves as being so called protectors of ethics in this Country. If you has a scintilla of impartiality you would be asking serious questions about those who are attempting to villify Mr Ahern in respect of matters which happened 15 years ago but yet are quite happy to tolerate a county councillor who admitted in the Mahon Tribunal to receiving “payment” from a constituent for assisting is sorting out a particular planning problem. The leader of that politicians party (and you Andrew it would appear)are it would seem quite happy to allow the Tribunal to do its work in that case but not in respect of the Taoiseach. However I and the rest of the Irish elecorate have come to expect that kind of double standard from the current opposition parties and their apologists. That’s why they have been languishing on the opposition benches for so long.
Bertie Ahern has worked tirelessly for Ireland. Despicable comments such as the above do not warrant comment. They speak volumes about the lack of class of those making them.
>Let me tell you Andrew that I have never received patronage from anybody or any >organisation and I am not currently a member of any political organisation.
Prove it. It’s about time we heard your real name, or are not just a loudmouth oaf and apologist for crooks, but a coward to boot.
You haven’t answered one single question put to you on this thread Crewser. Yon mention “Kenny” or “FG” at every turn to spin the argument.
Sarah, I’m afraid this crewser person (man? woman? Eoghan Harris?) is just a parasite. Deflecingt every single argument so the blog just turns into a tit-for-tat joke and so misses the purpose it was set up for.
You say something and he barks something like “well he did it aswell so, so, your wrong”.
I am listening Andrew and all I am hearing from you and all other opposition apologists is the same old anti Bertie rant. I said it before and I will say it again, if Enda Kenny (and presumably you as well) are happy to allow the Mahon Tribunal to do its work in relation to Anne Devitt, Olivia Mitchell and others then it is only right and proper to afford the democratically elected Taoiseach of this Country precisely the same opportunity. How difficult can that be to understand for you and other opposition apologists.
Crewser,
Let us imagine for a moment that you have a problem with the septic tank in your garden. For a couple of years now the smell of raw sewage has made your home uninhabitable. You called out Daiper-Rod eighteen months back and they began investigating.Two weeks passed and they still could not definitely confirm the source of the all pevading stench which has spread throughout the entire party…oops, I meant to say house, didn’t I.
Anyhow, Daiper-Rod are plugging away at the drains. Six months have passed and still they have not found the definite source of the problem. They suggest that the entire tank should be removed and replaced by a new one. Your doctor also recomends that you move out of the house to avoid damaging your health.
‘Yearah, I’m not moving anywhere atall. You’ve been bangin’ away at those pipes for six months and you can’t say for sure that the smell is coming from the tank. I know that the smell is strongest around the tank. I know when you lifted the lid on it that the birds fell out of the trees, but ye can’t say, 1,000% that the stink is coming from the tank. And anyway, there was a mild whif coming from the opposition….sorry, neighbour’s tank about two months ago. Nah, keep diggin’ lads. I’m not takin’ out that Taoise…. oops again, tank until it goes on the Six One news and tells Brian Dobson that it is a stinking, corrupt tank that is utterly undeserving of a place in my parlime….there I go again, utterly undeserving of a place in my democratically elected garden.’
When the neighbour fucks out his mildly unpleasant tank, then I’ll have look at mine.’
I have consistently condemned any wrong-doing on any side of the house. You are completely blinkered by the benevolence shown to you by the Patrons of the Farce. Gifts bestowed for sevices rendered. Your view is entirely tainted by your loyalty to those from whom you derive great benefit.
Your opinion is entirely irrelevant in that regard.
I will, however, not ignore you. I will rail against your propogandist ranting because I believe that it is entirely wrong, and is indeed damaging to the health of our democracy, for someone in your position to anonomously diseminate those kind of blatant untruths.
Come out from behind your shield, Crewser. Let everyone else know why you are so blindingly loyal to our beloved, benevolent leader.
Andrew you have concisely and precisely summed up the campaign of villification which commenced with Geraldine Kennedy’s attempt to politically assassinate Bertie Ahern before the general election. Thanks to the Irish electorate that effort failed abysmally as have all subsequent ones led by Pat Rabbitte, Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore.
You have neatly sidestepped the points I raised earlier for the simple reason that you and your fanatical fellow opposition apologists are unable to come to terms with the idea that Fine Gael and Labour Party politicians must be subjected to the same ethical rules and regulations as Fianna Fail members. So you can take your septic tanks and your biocycles and go back to the drawing board and see can you find a form of words which would exonerate Enda Kenny and Co from the double standards which have characterised him (and his apologists) over the last few months.
Personal snide attacks on me which you have resorted to recently do nothing but strengthen my resolve to ensure that all political representatives in this Country are made to account for their actions by reference to the same ethical code. Not one code for Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail and a watered down version for members of the opposition.
It may have escaped your notice, but Fianna Fail, the natural party of government in this country in the eyes of most of its devotees, has failed to secure an overall majority since the early eighties. Therefore, to say that the electorate have consistently rebuked the Irish Times led assassination of Fianna Fail is a nonsense. In every election for the last 27 years over half of the electorate have voted for parties that are not Fianna Fail.
I am getting a little tired of saying this. I absolutely condemn wrong-doing, whichever side of the house it comes from. Corrupt elements in every party should be rooted out. This could perhaps be done by the establishment of a tribunal of enquiry.
Now, Crewser, could you provide me with a list of Fine Gael / Labour / PD members who have tried to obstruct or inhibit the work of a tribunal, either by witholding information or cooperation or by launching legal challenges in the courts, in recent years.
Here’s my list of those that have done so, from all parties.
Ray Burke (FF)
Liam Lawlor (FF)
Denis O’Brien (Linked to FG’s Michael Lowry)
Charles Haughey (FF)
Bertie Ahern (FF)
Padraig Flynn (FF)
Joseph Murphy Snr (Linked to FF’s Ray Burke)
Joseph Murphy Jnr (Linked to FF’s Ray Burke)
You might add FG for shredding the Telenor document and Geraldine Kennedy for destroting the leaked documents.
If tribunals are not to your liking perhaps we could have Brian Dobson interview members of the Oireachtas and if they say that they are not corrupt then we could all believe them and get on with our lives. After all, it seems convincing to John Gormless.
Feel free to lenghten the list, Crewser. After all. Anyone with their nose so far into Bertie’s crack is bound to be called in evidence eventually.
No Andrew you are dodging around the issue and not addressing it. I am getting a little tired of the nastiness that has been flowing in my direction from you and others. But nevertheless I must persist in asking any apologist for Enda Kenny to explain why on the one hand he sees so problem with members of his own party who have admitted to taking large sums of money being able to wait for the Mahon Tribunal to make an adjudication on the matter while at the same time he has a problem with Bertie Ahern being afforded a similar facility. This is the nub of the question for you and the others. If Kenny and Co put down a motion in the Dail supporting the Tribunal they must then be prepared to let it do its work. But clearly this is not the case. We have had loads of long winded waffle from you but you must address this question.
In quotes, Crewser, can you show me where I have ever apologised for Enda Kenny? In fact I would be grateful if you would paste into your reply any mention that I have made of Enda.
As for nastiness, the truth is what the truth is. I have stated quite bluntly thatI am aware of your ‘real world’ identity. You have decided not to reveal yourself but continue to snipr from behind your anonymity. As I have said before, for someone in your position to do that is fundamentaly wrong.
Besides, at 8.34am a woman in your condition should be resting. I can highly recomend Dioralyte sachets for rehydration. The blackcurrant flavour is the best, citrus is just about palatable in an emergency but the ‘natural’ is the devil’s work altogether. If there is anything in nature that tastes like that we are definately not meant to eat or drink it!
Mark Waters said,
February 4, 2008 at 2:10 pm
“I think he is tax compliant”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Even better was the follow up:
RTE: “Why do you think he’s tax complaint?”
JG: “Because he said he was.”
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 4, 2008 at 2:11 pm
But, Sarah, Bertie said he’s tax compliant. So what’s so funny. Do you think we have any reason to doubt the word of this great man. I mean ask any PAYE worker whom, just like Bertie, has all of his tax and PRSI deducted at source by their emoloyer. Sure there’s hardly a PAYE worker in the country thast’s tax compliant.
It’s those self employed that have it easy, what with calculating their liability, keeping the books straight not to mention retaining all documentation for six years.
Berties has worked for the public service all of his life. If, as he claims, he is a man of modest means, then there should be no complications with capital gains tax or anything else. Just straight forward, deducted at source income tax like any other PAYE worker in the state. Right?
Apparently not.
The Crewser said,
February 4, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Andrew, if all of Enda Kenny’s TD’s in Dail Eireann were as tax compliant as Bertie Ahern I could possibly give some credence to the Kenny man. But unfortunately they are not and so unlike Sarah and most other contributors to this site I am not prepared to join the rabble who are prepared only to look at any faults or alleged faults with Government deputies only.
I am still waiting on you Andrew give a view on this, Anne Devitts 20 Grand, and FG’s shredding of the Telenor document which was required by the Moriarty Tribunal.
Sarah said,
February 4, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Name the FG TD who doesn’t have a tax compliant cert.
The Crewser said,
February 4, 2008 at 7:16 pm
You know perfectly well that I must not do that.
Sarah said,
February 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Why not? Sure it’ll be on the public register.
Maybe you just can’t because none exist?
Do correct me….
donkykemore said,
February 4, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Thats not what he said .. what he did say was he said . what he said was that he meant to say , and that is what he may have said , if he said it .. what the revenue said was not in fact what i said that i was ,,no that is not the position and if I said that I was wrong
Is that not clear enough for you !
The Crewser said,
February 4, 2008 at 9:22 pm
An individuals tax affairs are a matter between the Revenue and the individual in question. You will not find comprehensive details on any register to my knowledge even in the case of public representatives as far as I am aware.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 4, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Donkey, you’re a class apart.
Crewser, check the record. This is the second time that I have had to remind you that I have said that if Anne Devitt took money for her vote she was wrong to do so. If Fine Gael shredded documents in breach of an order from the tribunal, that too was wrong. However, justbecause everyody else is at it does not make it right. I am very surprised that we seem to have resorted to the schoolyard level of debate.
Now, Crewser, I am waiting for you to clarify a couple of things for me.
1. How can a man who has been a PAYE worker all of his working life, a an who will tell any passer-by who will listen of his humble life, his eschewing of the trappings of material wealth, a man who allegedly is an accountant and who certainly worked as a book-keeper, a man who has access to the finest financial advice that money can buy and a man who served as minister for finance – how can this man have such tax issue so complicated that it takes over fourteen years to sort out?
2. Why would Gerry Brennan, Bertie’s solicitor at the time of his marriage seperation, take unto himself, in flagrant breach of strict solicitor / client confidentiality guidelines, the task of going begging to Bertie’s friends (and one or two who didn’t know they were Bertie’s friends), soliciting funds to help Bertie to pay his legal bills, a large portion of which were owing to Mr. Brennan himself, when he was fully aware that Bertie had at least IR£54,000 in cash at his disposal and probably IR£73,000 when you include the AIB loan taken out expressly to pay these very same legal bills?
(with a nod to Mr. Browne)
The Crewser said,
February 4, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Perhaps Andrew you may be poorly informed about the role of Mr Ahern’s Solicitor. I suggest to you that what you have stated may be inaccurate and I will not comment further on this matter.
In relation to Mr Aherns tax affairs, only people who are intent on doing the man down such as most contributors to this site believe that Mr Ahern has not been tax compliant during the period you mention. There is a certain devious motivation behind allegations which are being made. As I said earlier many opposition politicians are no more tax compliant as of today than Bertie Ahern is but neither you nor other contributors to this site have the slightest interest in this.
There is a witch-hunt underway against the best Prime Minister this Country has ever had. If the Mahon Tribunal are looking at any allegations made against the Taoiseach then it is up to the Mahon Tribunal to make a judgement on them, not you not Sarah Carey and certainly not Enda Kenny.
Clearly there maybe minor fine tuning to be done by Revenue at the end of the Tribunal in respect of Mr Ahern but there is absolutely no reason why he should stand down at the behest of Enda Kenny, Eamon Gilmore or anybody else pending the Mahon adjudication. If you are happy to wait for same in respect of Anne Devitt I am equally happy to wait in the case of Bertie Ahern.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 4, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Same old Crewser, dodging the difficult questions.
When the history of this whole, sorry saga is written Bertie Ahearn will be filed in the same category as Charlie Haughey, both of them as crooked as a Picasso.
I’m not naive enough to think that, in Dail Eireann, Fianna Fail are surrounded by an unsullied, saintly opposition, but neither should you, Crewser, be so naive as to fail or refuse to see what is obvious.
All that has been going on for the last few years has been the systematic obstruction of the tribunal. It was done by Lawlor and he escaped to the grave, Haughey, who managed to outlive the effectiveness of his obfuscation and lived to be indicted by the findings, and now by Ahearn. The aim of this is to get Bertie to retirement and out of the picture before the tribunal can deliver its findings. If Bertie had cooperated fully in private with the tribunal we would have reached this stage of investigation almost three years ago and God knows where we would be now.
The Crewser said,
February 4, 2008 at 10:59 pm
So you want me to accept that because you are some sort of FG hack or apologist there is some sort of obligation on me to agree that some outline of events past present and future that you would approve of would be absolutely correct. Pull the other one Andrew.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 5, 2008 at 6:54 am
Well, Crewser, there is a name for that ‘outline of events past present and future’. It’s called the bleedin’ obvious. As for ‘FG hack’, you well know where I am coming from, and it is not from within any political party. In fact, Crewser, a little more openness and a little less hiding behind your silly nom de plume would go a long way. There are one or two of us here who know exactly who you are, and the kind of patronage you have received from those at the top makes it impossible for you to be objective in this matter. He who pays the piper calls the tune, Crewser.
The Crewser said,
February 5, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Let me tell you Andrew that I have never received patronage from anybody or any organisation and I am not currently a member of any political organisation. But I am not surprised that in your desperation you have resorted to a personal attack on me. It fits the pattern of those who would class themselves as being so called protectors of ethics in this Country. If you has a scintilla of impartiality you would be asking serious questions about those who are attempting to villify Mr Ahern in respect of matters which happened 15 years ago but yet are quite happy to tolerate a county councillor who admitted in the Mahon Tribunal to receiving “payment” from a constituent for assisting is sorting out a particular planning problem. The leader of that politicians party (and you Andrew it would appear)are it would seem quite happy to allow the Tribunal to do its work in that case but not in respect of the Taoiseach. However I and the rest of the Irish elecorate have come to expect that kind of double standard from the current opposition parties and their apologists. That’s why they have been languishing on the opposition benches for so long.
Jazz Biscuit » Blog Archive » Bertie is a chancer said,
February 5, 2008 at 4:53 pm
[...] Bertie should get out now. He’s clearly a criminal: he’s making John Gormley, the most amazing human ever born, look bad. [...]
The Crewser said,
February 5, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Bertie Ahern has worked tirelessly for Ireland. Despicable comments such as the above do not warrant comment. They speak volumes about the lack of class of those making them.
Luke said,
February 6, 2008 at 10:53 am
>Let me tell you Andrew that I have never received patronage from anybody or any >organisation and I am not currently a member of any political organisation.
Prove it. It’s about time we heard your real name, or are not just a loudmouth oaf and apologist for crooks, but a coward to boot.
The Crewser said,
February 6, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I have absolutely nothing to prove to you or your ilk who always resort to personal abuse when your argument is lost.
Rob Hickey said,
February 6, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Crewser its impossible to lose an argument with a brick wall
The Crewser said,
February 6, 2008 at 4:26 pm
If an argument has legitimacy it can be won.
Rob Hickey said,
February 6, 2008 at 5:06 pm
You haven’t answered one single question put to you on this thread Crewser. Yon mention “Kenny” or “FG” at every turn to spin the argument.
Sarah, I’m afraid this crewser person (man? woman? Eoghan Harris?) is just a parasite. Deflecingt every single argument so the blog just turns into a tit-for-tat joke and so misses the purpose it was set up for.
You say something and he barks something like “well he did it aswell so, so, your wrong”.
joe said,
February 6, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Sarah,
i also find Crewer’s robotic posting style and narrow tribalism a big turnoff here.
Either he/she/it goes or I go!
The Crewser said,
February 6, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Its your choice Joe. If you can’t stand the heat etc
Sarah said,
February 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm
I know Joe. Crewser is deeply annoying but I’ve learned with my toddlers that if you ignore them they stop bugging you after a while. Don’t respond!
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 7, 2008 at 12:00 am
I hope this works.
Crewser, this is just for you. Follow the link.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 7, 2008 at 12:32 am
OK. So that didn’t work. Crewser follow me…..
http://andrewlawlor.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/show-me-your-friendsand-i-will-tell-you-who-you-are/
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 7, 2008 at 6:21 pm
No validity, Crewser. As Dell Boy would say ‘there are none so blind as them what will not listen.’
How can anyone what you have to say seriously when you are a benefactor the very scullduggery you consistently defend.
The Crewser said,
February 7, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I am listening Andrew and all I am hearing from you and all other opposition apologists is the same old anti Bertie rant. I said it before and I will say it again, if Enda Kenny (and presumably you as well) are happy to allow the Mahon Tribunal to do its work in relation to Anne Devitt, Olivia Mitchell and others then it is only right and proper to afford the democratically elected Taoiseach of this Country precisely the same opportunity. How difficult can that be to understand for you and other opposition apologists.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 7, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Crewser,
Let us imagine for a moment that you have a problem with the septic tank in your garden. For a couple of years now the smell of raw sewage has made your home uninhabitable. You called out Daiper-Rod eighteen months back and they began investigating.Two weeks passed and they still could not definitely confirm the source of the all pevading stench which has spread throughout the entire party…oops, I meant to say house, didn’t I.
Anyhow, Daiper-Rod are plugging away at the drains. Six months have passed and still they have not found the definite source of the problem. They suggest that the entire tank should be removed and replaced by a new one. Your doctor also recomends that you move out of the house to avoid damaging your health.
‘Yearah, I’m not moving anywhere atall. You’ve been bangin’ away at those pipes for six months and you can’t say for sure that the smell is coming from the tank. I know that the smell is strongest around the tank. I know when you lifted the lid on it that the birds fell out of the trees, but ye can’t say, 1,000% that the stink is coming from the tank. And anyway, there was a mild whif coming from the opposition….sorry, neighbour’s tank about two months ago. Nah, keep diggin’ lads. I’m not takin’ out that Taoise…. oops again, tank until it goes on the Six One news and tells Brian Dobson that it is a stinking, corrupt tank that is utterly undeserving of a place in my parlime….there I go again, utterly undeserving of a place in my democratically elected garden.’
When the neighbour fucks out his mildly unpleasant tank, then I’ll have look at mine.’
I have consistently condemned any wrong-doing on any side of the house. You are completely blinkered by the benevolence shown to you by the Patrons of the Farce. Gifts bestowed for sevices rendered. Your view is entirely tainted by your loyalty to those from whom you derive great benefit.
Your opinion is entirely irrelevant in that regard.
I will, however, not ignore you. I will rail against your propogandist ranting because I believe that it is entirely wrong, and is indeed damaging to the health of our democracy, for someone in your position to anonomously diseminate those kind of blatant untruths.
Come out from behind your shield, Crewser. Let everyone else know why you are so blindingly loyal to our beloved, benevolent leader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nSUtDjZ_1A
The Crewser said,
February 7, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Andrew you have concisely and precisely summed up the campaign of villification which commenced with Geraldine Kennedy’s attempt to politically assassinate Bertie Ahern before the general election. Thanks to the Irish electorate that effort failed abysmally as have all subsequent ones led by Pat Rabbitte, Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore.
You have neatly sidestepped the points I raised earlier for the simple reason that you and your fanatical fellow opposition apologists are unable to come to terms with the idea that Fine Gael and Labour Party politicians must be subjected to the same ethical rules and regulations as Fianna Fail members. So you can take your septic tanks and your biocycles and go back to the drawing board and see can you find a form of words which would exonerate Enda Kenny and Co from the double standards which have characterised him (and his apologists) over the last few months.
Personal snide attacks on me which you have resorted to recently do nothing but strengthen my resolve to ensure that all political representatives in this Country are made to account for their actions by reference to the same ethical code. Not one code for Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fail and a watered down version for members of the opposition.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 7, 2008 at 10:20 pm
It may have escaped your notice, but Fianna Fail, the natural party of government in this country in the eyes of most of its devotees, has failed to secure an overall majority since the early eighties. Therefore, to say that the electorate have consistently rebuked the Irish Times led assassination of Fianna Fail is a nonsense. In every election for the last 27 years over half of the electorate have voted for parties that are not Fianna Fail.
I am getting a little tired of saying this. I absolutely condemn wrong-doing, whichever side of the house it comes from. Corrupt elements in every party should be rooted out. This could perhaps be done by the establishment of a tribunal of enquiry.
Now, Crewser, could you provide me with a list of Fine Gael / Labour / PD members who have tried to obstruct or inhibit the work of a tribunal, either by witholding information or cooperation or by launching legal challenges in the courts, in recent years.
Here’s my list of those that have done so, from all parties.
Ray Burke (FF)
Liam Lawlor (FF)
Denis O’Brien (Linked to FG’s Michael Lowry)
Charles Haughey (FF)
Bertie Ahern (FF)
Padraig Flynn (FF)
Joseph Murphy Snr (Linked to FF’s Ray Burke)
Joseph Murphy Jnr (Linked to FF’s Ray Burke)
You might add FG for shredding the Telenor document and Geraldine Kennedy for destroting the leaked documents.
If tribunals are not to your liking perhaps we could have Brian Dobson interview members of the Oireachtas and if they say that they are not corrupt then we could all believe them and get on with our lives. After all, it seems convincing to John Gormless.
Feel free to lenghten the list, Crewser. After all. Anyone with their nose so far into Bertie’s crack is bound to be called in evidence eventually.
The Crewser said,
February 7, 2008 at 10:38 pm
No Andrew you are dodging around the issue and not addressing it. I am getting a little tired of the nastiness that has been flowing in my direction from you and others. But nevertheless I must persist in asking any apologist for Enda Kenny to explain why on the one hand he sees so problem with members of his own party who have admitted to taking large sums of money being able to wait for the Mahon Tribunal to make an adjudication on the matter while at the same time he has a problem with Bertie Ahern being afforded a similar facility. This is the nub of the question for you and the others. If Kenny and Co put down a motion in the Dail supporting the Tribunal they must then be prepared to let it do its work. But clearly this is not the case. We have had loads of long winded waffle from you but you must address this question.
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 8, 2008 at 7:23 am
In quotes, Crewser, can you show me where I have ever apologised for Enda Kenny? In fact I would be grateful if you would paste into your reply any mention that I have made of Enda.
As for nastiness, the truth is what the truth is. I have stated quite bluntly thatI am aware of your ‘real world’ identity. You have decided not to reveal yourself but continue to snipr from behind your anonymity. As I have said before, for someone in your position to do that is fundamentaly wrong.
Sarah said,
February 8, 2008 at 8:34 am
IGNORE him Andrew!! He’s a troll…he wants you to do this…
Andrew Lawlor said,
February 8, 2008 at 9:10 am
This is FUN!!!
Besides, at 8.34am a woman in your condition should be resting. I can highly recomend Dioralyte sachets for rehydration. The blackcurrant flavour is the best, citrus is just about palatable in an emergency but the ‘natural’ is the devil’s work altogether. If there is anything in nature that tastes like that we are definately not meant to eat or drink it!