Comments on: Why Ahern has been forgiven

By: GUBU » Retraction

GUBU » Retraction — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:23:16 +0000

[...] I want to state that I am officially embarrassed I wrote this. [...]

By: The Crewser

The Crewser — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:35:07 +0000

All the dyed in the wool blueshirts who contribute to this site would do well to rremember one thing. Bertie Ahern never got bribes from anyone, not Starry O’Brien, not Owen O’Callaghan not anyone. You can make all the allegations you like, dodge around issues such as Enda Kenny’s integrity and Tom Gilmartins reliability as the Tribunal’s star witness, but there is not a shred of sustainable evidence anywhere that Bertie was bribed by anyone. But as most of you are pro opposition people, I dont for a second expect you to say anything that you are not saying. But thankfully as a cross section of Irish public opinion, you are cleary not in any way a representative sample.

By: irishpancake

irishpancake — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:16:06 +0000

Bertie the “Accountant”

Surely people should refrain from repeating this fiction. Apparently he was an Accounts Clerk in the Mater Hospital.

But Fianna Fail insist on telling us

“Educated locally, he qualified as an accountant and worked in the Mater Hospital.”

http://www.fiannafail.ie/history_content.php4?era=6

No evidence of his “Accountancy Training” exists, as per this:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/surely-someone-was-keeping-records-1082246.html

I have no problem with our leaders rising from humble origins, but surely Bertie’s fictional “Accountancy qualification” should be called into question. Or is it just the Myth of the Great Leader needs to be perpetuated, even if it is founded on very dubious grounds from the start.

By: Gordon Davies

Gordon Davies — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:27:19 +0000

It is debatable whether Bartholemew Ahern has been that remarkable. He has permitted a lot of people to make paper fortunes, but I would contend that he and his colleagues/accomplices have grossly mismanaged a faourable situation that they inherited from the previous Government. FF/PD Governement singularily failed to use the exceptional resources at their disposal to invest in the future.

On another point – FF don’t do bribes. Like a good waiter or butler they have such an intimate knowledge of their clients that they can anticipate any desires. They then condescend to accept a substantial gratification. This is what Bartholemew did in Manchester. Having given valuable information to a group of businessmen who stood to gain large sums from speculating on the money markets, the Minister responsible for managing the Irish currency then accepted a large tip. On it’s own this sorry affair renders Barthoemew unfit to govern.

Gordon

By: The Crewser

The Crewser — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:56:45 +0000

The fact that you apparently condone the fact that a Lawyer in the Tribunal who has access to every document there, can, as he or she pleased pass the contents to Jounalists tells us exactly where you are coming from politically, Graham

By: Graham

Graham — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:50:37 +0000

Back to calling it all a conspiracy now eh?

“Its a strange sense of justice you have Graham but one which suits your own political angle”

Pot. Kettle. Black.

By: The Crewser

The Crewser — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:36:57 +0000

Yes Graham whether you like it or not Bertie Ahern has been absolutely outstanding as Taoiseach for the last ten years. What a tragedy it would have been if Geraldine Kennedy’s attempt to politically assassinate this great man had suceeded. But the Irish people are a sophisticated electorate these days. They do not suffer fools gladly and that applies to vexatious and false complaints made by compulsive liars such as Tom Gilmartin. But of course you Graham would not see the slightest problem with people like Gilmartin being fed details by journalists who had been in touch with the Tribunal Lawyer who has been leaking sensitive informate. Its a strange sense of justice you have Graham but one which suits your own political angle.

By: Graham

Graham — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:16:19 +0000

“exceptional leader over the last 10 years….The Irish people are impressed by that sort of thing you know…”
“Not people who talk about probity and honesty and integrity and then turn a blind eye when one of their number gets 20,000 Euro”

There’s the hypocrisy right there, but you obviously don’t see that. I can see why you are such a die hard FF supporter now. You’ve as much integrity as the rest of them.
How come you’ve gone from shouting conspiracy to attacking me now? Is it getting difficult to find new ways of distracting people from the truth?
I’m not a FG supporter, nor am I a floating voter who might some day vote for FF. I also never claimed to be a democrat.

“Democracy can be cruel sometimes”
Really? But the truth hurts like a bitch. I bet it’s starting to really hurt now eh?

By: The Crewser

The Crewser — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:16:09 +0000

Where did you get your 300 K figure from Tom N.

By: Tom Neville

Tom Neville — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:45:38 +0000

300 K going through a man’s accounts with no backup? Join the real world. I have mentioned it before. I have some very wealthy friends but I wouldn’t expect any of them to give me a dig out and not expect it back. And that’s from friends. There is no way that twelve guys whom I don;t know would throw in two grand each and expect nothing back. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck….that’s why it is incumbent that justice be done.