06.28.07
At last! some good news
After the usual melodramatic start to the day, some good news! From the IT…
“Ireland’s first black mayor set to be elected in Portlaoise
A Nigerian man who arrived here seven years ago seeking asylum is likely to create history by becoming Ireland’s first black mayor today, Ronan McGreevy .
Cllr Rotimi Adebari (43) was elected to Portlaoise Town Council in 2004 and should take the chain of office when the members meet to elect a new mayor this afternoon.
He is likely to be elected under a mayoral pact which sees the position rotate among the Fine Gael/Sinn Féin/Independent members of the council.
Mr Adebari has scheduled a party for the new parish centre in Portlaoise tomorrow evening to celebrate his imminent mayoralty.
He said: “It will be a great honour to become the number one citizen of the town. The kudos, though, goes to the people of Portlaoise who elected me in 2004. They gave me this opportunity,” he said.
Tom N said,
June 28, 2007 at 8:38 am
Let’s hope he doesn’t fall into the trap of local politics in Ireland and think that fixing every pothole will keep him in power. It must be welcomed though.
Joseph said,
June 28, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Sorry but eh exactly why should it be welcomed?
“Ireland’s first black mayor set to be elected in Portlaoise”
Sounds sick to me,like oh look we have a black…. isnt it so cool arent we great! Look Irish people are not racist – then tomorrow we will be told how racist we areas a nation! and why we need to be educated
What The hell has the color of his skin to do with his inability to be a good mayor.
I have lots more to say about this. But I will leave it until later
Sarah said,
June 28, 2007 at 7:12 pm
oh c’mon, doesn’t it show SOME people aren’t racist? It’s a start..
joseph said,
June 28, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Why should this be welcomed? To my mind this is actually just a perfect example of the profound stupidity of some of the Irish people and in particular the way in which SOME Irish people fall over themselves to be seen as friendly to the so called ” New Irish”
[a term BTW which I as a citizen, find rather offensive and insulting both to me and to foreign nationals. If only because I regard being Irish as something deeper that involves a number of things which have some substance/depth and meaning : though clearly such a view is fast becoming completely untenable and redundant in the light of the continued peaceful but relentless colonisation and balkanisation of the society and this supposedly sovereign nation state : more of this later]
In the current PC climate of hysteria that surrounds all and any issue to do with immigration in this country [and others in the western world] so many within society come up with all manner of dumb notions and assertions. Educated people often spouting utter rubbish and supposedly intelligent people resort to name calling as soon as hard facts begin to be discussed. and the hypocrisy and emptiness of their arguments is exposed.
Firstly lets consider this guy and some of the deeper issues involved here. I have to admit I recall first hearing about this guy back around 2004 when I remember something to the effect that he was voted in as a councillor at local elections despite only being in the country for about 3 years.
Skipping over the fact that the whole notion that he, or any other foreign nationals outside of the EU, should be allowed participate in the politics of this country is daft and absurd to begin with. I recall being sick as a parrot at the ridiculousness of the state of affairs that could lead to such an occurrence.
In particular I found the idea of someone so recently arrived in Ireland, who was barely in the country any longer than a blow-in from Dublin going to the counties, and someone yet to have established firm roots in the country and society, one big joke and an indictment of how gullible and ultimately stupid SOME Irish people can be.
Back then I was even under the impression that he was some guy who was working here and had obtained a working visa so was in the state legally as a highly qualified professional person [Doctor?] Even then I would still not have welcomed the idea of him being able to live in my country. Reasons for which I will deal with later.
Today just a few years more I learn that this guy has been fast climbing up the political pole very nicely indeed . He is actually, as it turns out, someone who came here as an Asylum Seeker. Good grief! when I heard that, I knew the cat was out of the bag and it only confirmed and compounded my worst fears.
You see, I am one of those people who does not naively believe in this con job we call the asylum seekers thing, or as I like to describe it, the greatest scam and racket around for years. An industry which makes a mockery of any of the noble aspirations and intentions of those who framed and conceived the concept to begin with. I will elaborate on this point also later.
Getting back to this guy, I will further put my cards on the table and mention my own prejudices for which I make no apologies whatsoever [prejudices are good and fine. How we act upon is more crucial. Though I had thought this guy may well have been a perfectly nice and decent guy - for all I know he is? Based on EXTENSIVE experience with Nigerian people over a number of years I would have to admit that I have hardly ever met or known a Nigerian who was not, at best, some sort of a chancer, or minor charlatan, or worse still, an outright scam artist and crook. Albeit sometimes colourful and even charming.
Assuming however that this guy is nevertheless a decent guy [Something I now doubt strongly {which I had not thought in 2004} based on the Asylum Seeker wannabe refugee pretence and fabrication, he has successfully used to achieve his ends] he would only be the second such Nigerian I have ever known or heard of in a personal level who was Kosher = on the level etc etc.
Oh I can already hear the mindless indignation of the hypocritical brigades of happy clappy do gooders complaining about “RACISIM” and how “you cant say that” BLAH BLAH BLAH. Well I just did and I have qualified my comments first before just making a general observation of fact [for me and many others I have spoke to - including one of the Nigerians I befriended.]
Anyway this guy was elected as a councillor when he had only been in the country for about 3 years. In fact I recall from the time of this and remarked then how it disgusted me to think Irish people were indeed so narrow minded and hypocritical as to go so way OTT in “embracing” someone from the other side of the world with little or no cultural affinity in common with Ireland.
Lets just ponder the whole concept for a moment. Someone from a country thousands of miles from Ireland with little or NO connection with Ireland comes to live here and after just three years is already so immersed in our culture? That he is deemed to be an ideal candidate to represent people as a councillor? This is madness and arrogance of the worst kind.
Clearly this guy is no fool and must be a slick operator indeed, but how and why does that translate into him ever having any right or suitability to be conferred with such responsibilities. Is the cultural and political life of our country so crude or poor and unsophisticated as to make it so likely that a blown-in can bypass or learn really fast all the social and cultural niceties and nuances of our society. So as to then represent said society and its best interests?
Where was the modesty and humility of a guy coming from a far away land : a country with little or nothing in common with Ireland trying to become part of our society first in a gradual and substantive way and only then through the natural process of “integration” and “assimilation” whereupon someday it may well be that such a person, be he/she, black pink, purple or blue, would have genuinely become interwoven enough with the life and culture of his/her new home?
No No that is not the way of course. This was a clutch and grab, grasping hand job. A clever and shrewd manipulator able to hoodwink the fools he would eventually represent. And that does not make him a bad person just suspect character and show SOME Irish people for the blind fools they are.
Upon being given the title of Mayor of Portlaois he had the audacity to tell us on national TV that “it was a great day for the nation” and “a great day for the ethnic community”! Bloody hell he didn’t waste any time to spell out what he is about! As can be expected serving his people!
But how dare he tell me that, “it is a great day for my nation” just because he has been successful in his political career! He is clearly trading on the US and Them and is more than happy to be the first “black” mayor. Why should anyone give a hoot about the colour of someone’s skin or their ethnic background in the context of being a bloody mayor? Well if you can trade on it then its ok then! The nedia duly obliged and we are presented only with a glowing positive news story. Funny how nobody on TV in the vox pops expressed the sort of views I am expressing now. Weird because I hear them all the time. And I hear the counter views too but as yet I have never been convinced of their value.
So lets go back to how he even came to be in the country. Yes this so called Asylum Seeker came here fleeing religious persecution? Well of course you could choose to believe such a fairytale and given that, it seems from accounts of the guy on TV, he is very bright and well spoken- charismatic??? It would be little problem for him to make a very convincing and plausible case to some poor sap in the immigration services. Especially considering that a certain amount will always be able to go through so as to give the impression that it is a fair system which evaluates cases on their merit. If they really want to do that, then there would not be a single Nigerian ever granted Asylum in this country. But I am coming to that.
As we all know the vast majority of the chancers from Nigeria fail to be granted any asylum, but that does not stop them pursuing every possible delaying tactic known to man. And more power to them! If I were a Nigerian I would probably do the very same when faced with such a stupid country and people as the Irish- in fact one Nigerian guy I was friendly with actually said as much to me once.
We both laughed and joked about how favourably Ireland compared with just about any country we could think of. I had assured him that if it was up to me, he would be on the next plane out of Ireland ASAP or in a cell/detention center somewhere, and I assumed just about everything he told me about himself was lies, But crucially as it was not my business he could rest easy and need not worry about me ever exposing him. Once he realized my honesty and integrity as regards him we got on fine and he told me all sorts of things. I though most of it was funny.
He openly admitted that most of what he told people about himself was a lie and that OF COURSE HE WORKED on the black [ no pun intended] economy in addition to receiving the direct provision allowance and any and every other benefit he could get. Again more power to him! He assured me that all this was normal within the Nigerian and other ethnic communities in general.
So why am I so adamant about the whole Asylum racket? Well lets picture the following. Ireland say in a hundred years : just for fun! A crazy dictator rules the country in an oppressive manner, strife and conflict are all around. The country is in meltdown and the white people who wear green shirts are being persecuted for their fashions sense or and their religion! You are desperate you need to flee and find REFUGE in a safe country, so what do you do? Well naturally you do not end up making a break for the border in the peaceful but poor neighbouring country noran illan where you will be free of persecution, nor do you end up in Iceland or even America or france or germany all of which are safe havens, instead you opt for Nigeria! A country as far away as you can imagine but crucially you have heard from friends is very wealthy and very very lax when it comes to immigration matters. Easy to figure out right! Oh back to the real world of now. Well there is the Dublin Convention which stipulates that you must apply for Asylum in the first EU country you land in! Well of course there are no direct flights to Nigeria from Ireland so when you arrive in France or The Netherlands to somehow decide they might be regimes that will continue to persecute you so of course you have to keep going to the windswept rock in the atlantic which just happens ot be rich and real dumb when it ocmes to immigration matters. You have been told that the trick is to get here make an application and in the waiting period get active and involved in any and every sort of ” community” activity possible.
The bottom line is that there is not a chance in hell that the cock and bull stories used and concocted have any truth at all. Worst case scenario for these bogus Nigerian Asylum seekers is that they would simply have to move to A DIFFERENT PART OF NIGERIA : where they would indeed be free of persecution, but of course as we all know this is all about people seeking to move to a vastly richer country and have a standard of living that they could but dream of in Nigeria. Who can blame these people in the face of such incompetence and stupidity on the Irish end of things. The new Portlaois Mayor is doubtless laughing his ass off at Irish people and our incredible stupidity and who can blame him. I don’t BUT I SURE AS HELL WONT APPLAUD HIM or be a sycophantic fool rejoicing in the US and THEM politics that revolves around skin color or and ethnicity.
By contrast I recall there was a TD of Indian heritage who was living in Ireland for years who turned out to be a very good citizen and member of society? The contrast is striking he was regarded as a good politician and well liked for who he was and not because he was ethnic Indian?
This new mayor guy is an opportunistic fraud to me but I wish him well nevertheless! He along with many of his countrymen are colonisers who carry out their colonising in a peaceful way with the cooperation of the natives and so cannot be faulted for their acts of colonising
“colonisation encompasses all large-scale emigrations of an established population to a ‘new’ location, such as immigration, the establishment of expatriate communities, and the use of guest workers.”
Now if people do not believe in the nation state : which is a point of view, then I accept that my point of view truly is wrong and not relevant . However if you believe in the idea of a nations state and sovereignty then I stand by all I have said.
If in principle you want to argue the case for Nigerians being “entitled” to seek refugee status in Ireland THEN I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INFORM PEOPLE IN NIGERIA OF THIS FACT AND CONSIDERING THERE ARE OVER 120 MILLION I FEEL SURE WE COULD ATTRACT AND SAVE LITERALLY MILLIONS! WHY NOT DO THAT IF YO WANT US TO BE ABOUT PRINCIPLE
Uncle Junior said,
June 29, 2007 at 2:55 am
OMG! Well that was a pithy and punchy little contribution there from Joseph who clearly was not watching “Grey’s Anatomy”, or doing anything else last night, judging by the almost three and a half hour gap between Sarah’s and his post. I particularly enjoyed the occasional GRATUITOUS CAPITALISED WORDS which, I felt, really added to the cogency of the argument.
So basically Joseph – and I hesitate to paraphrase such a compressed and lucid argument – is saying that all Nigerians are chancers, am I right? Just checking. Well why couldn’t you say it in under 300 words?! Then I would have wasted a far smaller portion of my life ploughing through the thickets of your text before disagreeing.
Sarah, time to introduce a word quota for commenters perhaps?
Tom N said,
June 29, 2007 at 8:11 am
Diversity is welcme to a point. I agree that it shouldn’t be a “wu-hoo”, we’re not racist reaction. At the same time it’s significant that a black man is now a mayor.
I did put in the caveat about gobshitery pot-hole-fixing, wink and elbow local politics. We should judge him on his performance and I hope the locals don’t overcompensate and go to easy on him if he cocks up. Mind you, they have forgiven BCF, Lowry, Ahern, etc, etc.
Sarah said,
June 29, 2007 at 8:45 am
I would comment on Joseph’s comment but my attention span expired….maybe later
joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:19 am
“So basically Joseph – is saying that all Nigerians are chancers, am I right? ”
Not quite, but essentially for the most part yes – it would be the exception not the rule for it to be otherwise and I defy anyone to tell me that it is simply not true in the face of, not merely my own experience, but also the experience of so many others too. It is actually part of “their culture” where corruption is rife and on a scale that makes Irish corruption microscopic by comparison.
Actually I made several points about this whole immigration issue and directly related issues. But the problem is that by it very nature it is multilayered and complex so cannot be reduced to simple sound bites as is the story with the nedia. Like the whole story itself is testament to this.
It is very long as a post but then to actually expand and elaborate my overall view that is unavoidable. You have chosen to take only one point out of the post seemingly and that is just another example of the way these whole issues are dealt with. Reduce everything to its bare minimum and then at some point I will be called a racist blah blah blah.
All we are ever told is the lie that we need immigrants to feed the economy blah blah blah and other such tosh. I would prefer to live in a country not a bloody economy, but that is all gone now.
This country is essentially screwed and has learned nothing from the experience of others with such issues. It is only a matter of time before we reap the fruits of this social experiment called multiculturalism and all of its consequences decades down the line. Irish people will get exactly what they deserve.
joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:22 am
“We should judge him on his performance”
Not a chance in hell this will be done.
joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:25 am
“I hope the locals don’t overcompensate”
They already have by the very fact of him being voted in as a councilor and now mayor. It is all one big sham. Oh sorry I meant to say that “Its a great day for the nation”
Tom N said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:29 am
Ja wohl, mein furher Joseph!
joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:34 am
All I really need have said was.
THE DUBLIN CONVENTION
http://www.europaworld.org/DEVPOLAWAR/Eng/Refugees/Refugees_DocC_eng.htm
“If it can be proved that the applicant for asylum irregularly crossed the border into a Member State by land, sea or air, having come from a non-member state, the Member State thus entered will be responsible, unless the applicant has been living in the Member State where the application for asylum was presented for at least six months before making the application (Article 6);”
But hey lets not mention that at all!
Nigerian Asylum Seeker in Ireland = Con job!, Bullshit artist, liar liar liar.
Being persecuted? no problem just move to a different part of the country! Nigeria is a big place with plenty of room.
But of course living in a very rich western country with English would be so much nicer! Sure come on in, make yourself at home. Whats ours is yours!
joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:39 am
“Ja wohl, mein furher Joseph!”
CLASSIC! And just my point exactly! LMAO
The irony being your comment by your own smart ass terms is actually racist and insulting to German people.
This is why it is impossible to even debate any of the Immigration issues in Ireland.
If you dont happen to agree with what is happening then tough your just a ….
Well I am perfectly resigned to the inevitable and it aint never gonna change my view though.
Graham said,
June 29, 2007 at 11:57 am
Joseph, your arguments are wonderful, really they are. I especially love “Not quite, but essentially for the most part yes”.
I personally know Nigerian nationals living in Ireland, who came here seeking asylum (legitimately I might add). They contribute to Irish society more than many Irish people. As for the scams and conjobs you refer to and to people working on the black market in addition to claiming social welfare payments, those people learned from some of the greatest scam artists and liars of all, Irish people right here in Ireland (and in the UK).
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 12:27 pm
“I personally know Nigerian nationals living in Ireland, who came here seeking asylum (legitimately I might add”
Not true! THE DUBLIN CONVENTION
Its a con job! Nigeria is a big country with plenty of room. Why not avail of it?
“They contribute to Irish society more than many Irish people”
Oh really? well its called networking and getting connected! They are not stupid! They know how to get in with as many people as fast as they can. Point is! It is not their country! But of course if you dont believe in a nation state then fair enough. I have no problem at all then.
Also you would need to define what contributing to Irish society is? Citizens contribute by their very being and are the society.
“As for the scams and conjobs you refer to and to people working on the black market in addition to claiming social welfare payments, those people learned from some of the greatest scam artists and liars of all, Irish people right here in Ireland (and in the UK).”
Not relevant we have our own problems to be sure we dont need new ones when we can avoid having them.
Just have a green card system that allows people come here legally IF THEY MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COUNTRY. Then if a Nigerian or Tadjikistani or whomever wants to come and live here he/she can apply to do so based on merit AND THE NEEDS OF OUR COUNTRY as opposed to the lie of being persecuted.
People claiming Asylum here are just using the system as a means to an end.It is NOT THEIR fault its the Irish people who are at fault.
One of the primary functions of a nation state is to secure the borders and assert its sovereignty. Due to the exploitation of loopholes and stupid Irish immigration policies. We do not have any such security or control over who is in this country. Its basically a free for all. As I said the passive and peaceful colonisation of Ireland is the order of the day here.
Tom N said,
June 29, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Oh dearie me! This is heading downhill very fast!
Big fan of applying proper procedures and ending the open door policy. What I won’t do is apply blanket racism to anyone.
Am I becomming a liberal? Surely to God, please say no.
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 1:06 pm
“What I won’t do is apply blanket racism to anyone.”
Me Neither!
I prefer to deal with facts and statistics
Gerry said,
June 29, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Facts eh? so all Nigerians are crooks apart from the one you got to know. But all his mates are.
Our countries have no connection? Odd that as a child I spent months in Nigeria with a load of other Irish kids. As it happens we were made very welcome wherever we went. The people I met knew a surprising amount about Ireland as another ex-colony. Guiness is the largest brewer in the country. I met at least three Murphys with one claiming it was a Nigerian name. I didn’t stand for elected office so I can’t say how that might have turned out.
Anyway as you are clearly a paranoid fantasist Joseph I won’t engage with the central tenet of your argument. It’s one of the weaknesses of the internet that that it gives a platform for fringe idiocy.
Seems to be a lot of it on GUBU at the moment.
pth said,
June 29, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Well tickle me pink, I’m impressed! Portlaoise of all places, whoever would have thought. I’m obviously too long out of Ireland.
Good for Cllr Rotimi Adebari and the people of Portlaoise!
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 2:00 pm
So you put words in my mouth and then start the insults? Yeah that would be about right.
I never said all Nigerians were all crooks! Nor did I say no connections I said little or or no BIG differnece and the point is the same and still valid. How many people from ireland do you suppose have ever been to Nigeria then?
There are no direct transport connections at all! But why bother with expressing any point of view if you dont like it?
As for the one Nigerian I have ever met or known personally who was not either a chancer or scam artist or worse, well unlike the other Nigerian I befriended who was a crook [but still a nice enough chap] this one Nigerian was polite, well spoken, and more crucially a man of integrity, honesty and principle.
He was here NOT as an Asylum Seeker [he too saw this as a racket] but on a working visa. The guy was well educated highly qualified and came here by choice. Plain and simple. Chancer can be nice people too anyway so as you have ignored it Ill mention it again! I do not blame Nigerian people at all for taking advantage of our systems I blame stupid people like you!.
And yes it is very odd [UNUSUAL] for you and any irish kids to be in Nigeria which is not to say it doesn’t happen! But SO WHAT?
People like you want to tell people like me how I should think! Well sorry mate I keep my views my own and I dont pander to populist sentiment easily manipulated by clowns like you.
Lets all hold hands and the world is so nice………………….
Try actually making an argument or leave it to those who can construct an argument to support their views.
Your views only involved you saying you dont like what I wrote? Well too bad
Gerry said,
June 29, 2007 at 3:06 pm
‘paranoid fantasist’ isn’t an insult joseph it’s a diagnosis. And I think it would be better all round if you did keep your views to yourself. Despite your protestations your views are a warped expression of populist sentiment. If the election of this guy serves as nothing other than a public slap in the face for knee jerk racists like yourself then it will have had some purpose. And please don’t tell me your prejudices are based on facts. All it takes is a black face under a tricolour to uncap a volcano of spleen and a treatise of bile and nonsense from a hitherto merely banal contributor.
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 4:13 pm
“‘paranoid fantasist’ isn’t an insult joseph it’s a diagnosis. And I think it would be better all round if you did keep your views to yourself. Despite your protestations your views are a warped expression of populist sentiment. If the election of this guy serves as nothing other than a public slap in the face for knee jerk racists like yourself then it will have had some purpose. And please don’t tell me your prejudices are based on facts. All it takes is a black face under a tricolour to uncap a volcano of spleen and a treatise of bile and nonsense from a hitherto merely banal contributor.”
Classic! twist and distort but dont address the issues and point made.Its exactly as I predicted! The sanctimonious gobshites brigade of hypocrites who attack the post and the the points made therein, You put words in my mouth,make all sorts of false assumptions and assertions about me, Totally insult me by accusing me of all sorts etc etc.
You are the dishonest fantasist pretending to seize the high moral ground with bogus comments that make little sense and merely add up to: I DONT LIKE WHAT I AM READING!
This has been a perfect example of why there is no HONEST debate possible about immigration and related issues, people are simply not allowed to express and dissenting voice.or discuss the down sides to what has been happening in this country for the last 10 – 15 years.
Facts are annoying for people liek you I know but honest, if I can cope with them I think you can too.
Leon said,
June 29, 2007 at 4:13 pm
I too dislike multiculturalism and the race politics brigade.
I accept that everyone (who isn’t an idiot) plays the cards they’re dealt but I don’t see any reason for the scream of ‘racism’ to be trumps.
All the nigerians I know got in though claiming asylum and the Irish born child rule, none are obvious crooks.
I don’t accept that this country has a responsibility to accept unlimited numbers of uninvited immirants.
The people of Portlaoise obviously don’t agree with Joseph because they’ve accepted this man as mayor and elected him counsellor.
jim jones said,
June 29, 2007 at 4:18 pm
To get back to the original point, Rotimi Adebari was, according to Sarah, “elected under a mayoral pact which sees the position rotate among the Fine Gael/Sinn Féin/Independent members of the council”. If only our politicians in the Dail could co-operate in this fashion (Fine Gael/Sinn Féin/Independent) we wouldn’t be stuck with FF for another 5 years! I remember something similar up north when Ian and Gerry couldn’t be in the same room with each other while lesser members of their respective parties successfully co-operated in councils all over.
In relation to Josephs points, I don’t think he has actually been racist but instead, has pointed out the failure of this state to maintain its borders in line with the ironically named Dublin Convention. It is actually impossible to come here from Nigeria without coming through another EU state. If we truly believe that Nigerian asylum seekers should be allowed stay here, then we should lobby our TD’s and MEP’s to remove Ireland from the Dublin Convention. Why make rules and regulations if they are allowed to be ignored?
Leon said,
June 29, 2007 at 4:34 pm
You could stow away on an oil tanker
You could sail
You could climb into the undercarriage of a charter plane
Sarah said,
June 29, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Actually, technically that thread should have ended when Tom N brought the Germans into it..Godwin’s Law?
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 5:17 pm
“You could stow away on an oil tanker
You could sail
You could climb into the undercarriage of a charter plane”
COME ON GIMMIE A BREAK! so this shows that yes people will ALWAYS FIND SOME EXCUSE OR WAY SOMETHING COULD BE POSSIBLE! but honestly if you were to survey how many done as you suggested, how many Nigerians have actually done that?
Anyway my point was that WITHOUT BLAMING THE NIGERIAN PEOPLE for being such chancers- as i said, in their shoes i would do the same maybe. But the thing is that if you were really fleeing persecution you would not need to come to ireland AND IN FACT IT WOULD BE SO MUCH HARDER TO arrange if your purpose was just to obtain refugee status and be safe from the persecution.
That a nigerian is granted the status is not their fault. My point is that I wouldnt play that game to begin with. The whole thign is a con job but having set it up there will always be the odd one approved just make it seem fair- I would simply bypass and not even allow a Nigerian apply.id send them back at the point of entry from whence they came.
As for the technicality of flying women in to have babies in ireland and gain citizenship? that was a loophole which people used in large numbers and immigrants died as a result of this trend. same for the smuggling in wexford in the container- same for the poor chinese workers that died in england
strict immigration rules protect immigrants more than anybody!
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Lets suppose I have it all WRONG!
Well then what would that mean?
Well lets start with our mantra – which is really very important.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
MORE MORE MORE. GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH, PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT
Ireland NEEDS immigrants
Ireland CANNOT SURVIVE without immigrants, the economy will collapse without immigrants, we all be poor without immigrants. Irish people cannot and will not do jobs that immigrants do – even if these jobs were all been done by Irish people 5-10-15 years ago. Dont be fooled! irish people are lazy and unwilling to do jobs that immigrants do.
There is no job displacement in Ireland as a direct result of immigration. The Irish Ferries affair was not inverted racism. This company which were making a nice profit had no choice but to get rid of virtually every single Irish employee. The Gama workers affar was only a myth. IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT ROUTINELY EXPLOITED AND ABUSED. IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT ABUSED AND MISTREATED BY IRISH PEOPLE. Its a myth.
Immigration to Ireland does not do any damage to the countries from which people come from- Those countries are not suffering through this loss of some of their most talented and enterprising people. The immigrants have no right to expect to be able to have a good quality of life and decent standard of living in their own countries.Instead they are destined to SERVE THE IRISH ECONOMY
REMEMBER, AND NEVER FORGET IT.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
MORE MORE MORE. GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH, PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT
BUT lets not get side tracked! It all boils down to this:
NIGERIANS UZBEKISTANIS, IRANIANS, AUSTRAILIANS, people from Malawi Africa, Asia – in fact – People from any of the 190 countries of the world have AS OF OF RIGHT and ENTITLMENT every reason on earth to EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AND WORK IN IRELAND. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE VERY SAME RIGHTS AND SENSITIVITY TO THEIR CULTURAL AS IRISH PEOPLE.
People fleeing persecution do not end up hald way around the world and miles and miles from the nearest safe haven which were to be found in countries in their region.
IT IS RACIST TO SUGGEST THAT people are not ACTUALLY FLEEING persecution and SHOPING FOR THE BEST OPTION TO LIVE IN A RICH COUNTRY that doesnt not happen! ever!
Ireland needs to be concerned with the fact that NIGERIA does not have good or perhap even adaquate treatment for children with Autism!. Irish people are to be held responisble for ROMA GYPSIES from ROMANIA decidng to come here [despite their having no right to work as was the case with Poland when they joined the EU] and then set themselves up in the middle of a roundabaout in Ballymun Off the M50. Weare to blame for this! And should pay them social welfare! Maybe set them up in a house or whatever?? Its irrelevant how and why they came to Ireland! That they do not speak english is not their fault at all. They have every right to come here and be sorted out and accomodated.
THERE ARE SO MANY OPTHER THIINGS THAT I HAVE ALL WRONG AND ONLY A RACIST WOULD DISPUTE WHAT I AM SAYING.
OH AND YEAH IRISH PEOPLE ARE OFTEN RACIST UNWELCOMING NARROWMINDED LAZY BIGGOTS!
Joseph said,
June 29, 2007 at 5:23 pm
i think that covers most of it?
Leon said,
July 2, 2007 at 10:31 am
Bit of a BEE IN YOUR BONNET THERE JOE
Joseph said,
July 3, 2007 at 12:48 am
u reckon?
It don’t make it untrue though! And the bee stems from the fact that so many cant and wont call a spade a spade. You couldn’t make up some of this shite that goes on at times.
Anyway a part of me finds it hilarious
Justin Mason said,
July 3, 2007 at 10:29 am
a part of _you_ finds this hilarious? join the club, your shtick is comedy gold
Leon said,
July 3, 2007 at 10:34 am
Wasn’t Peter Berry a staunch Fine Gaeller; that man did Ireland some service.
L
Tom N said,
July 3, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Well after these gems from Joseph, let;s hope that Portlaoise’s new may has a better command of the English language than our Joseph!
“All I really need have said was.”
“It don’t make it untrue though!”
Come, come, Joesph. You can scarcely criticise foreigners when you haven’t mastered one laguage yourself yet. That’s just the grammar. Don’t get me started on the punctuation!
Tom N said,
July 3, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Oops, a little irony from me by deliberately mispelling language!
Leon said,
July 3, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Fine Gael should bang the anti immigrant drum. Their greedy snivelling supporters are all fascists anyway.
Gerry said,
July 3, 2007 at 4:57 pm
That’s unfair leon. Some are crypto-fascists like Sarah.
Sarah said,
July 3, 2007 at 5:03 pm
what IS a crypto-fascist?
Anna said,
July 3, 2007 at 5:10 pm
“Why should anyone give a hoot about the colour of someone’s skin or their ethnic background in the context of being a bloody mayor?”
Who would guess that this is a quote from Joseph’s first entry? Why not leave it there Joseph?
joseph said,
July 3, 2007 at 10:51 pm
“Who would guess that this is a quote from Joseph’s first entry? Why not leave it there Joseph?”
because the whole point is that it was on the bloody one- six-nine oclock news and plastered all over every type of media. and trumpeted as the greatest thing blah blah even the title of this thread “some good news” etc etc well I am sure an argument could possibly be made that it is a good development that sees a chancer like this guy play the system so well as to fool so many people only too keen to be hoodwinked.
But as I say I am making it all up.The best offered so far has been people making silly comments about my use of language blah blah. this is just slly and a distraction. i type badly and make typos and all sorts of lazy efforts- so what? this s not a formal site.n All I can say is watch that guy over the next while and then remember all the fuss made about him. Then it will be funny to see how little we hear about the darker side to this tale and this guys real story.
If one wanted to make heroes or role models of people with a non Irish ethnic background/mix then the likes of Jason Sherlock and or Paul McGrath are the real deal!
None of this crap about a chancer milking and playing the system and all the fools within it for all it is worth.
Leon said,
July 4, 2007 at 1:53 pm
A pretty boy failure and a drunk? Joe you really do hate the new Irish don’t you? Anyway Jason Sherlock and Paul McGrath are Irish they don’t have to justify themselves to losers and cranks like you.
Joseph said,
July 5, 2007 at 1:09 am
“A pretty boy failure and a drunk? Joe you really do hate the new Irish don’t you? Anyway Jason Sherlock and Paul McGrath are Irish they don’t have to justify themselves to losers and cranks like you.”
So the height of your intellectis to throw insults and terms of abuse at me while describing those two people I mentioned as failures and drunks?
As for your term, often used these days, “New Irish” sorry I dont regard that as anything but a very silly term with no meaning or value. But perhaps it indicates the way people are more and more seeing everything in terms of “the market” so people and citizenship is just another product.
No doubt by your warped view of the world [and i admit such idiocy is by no mean alone in Ireland this guy in PLaois is one of the “new irish” Yeah that be about right! for you.
As I said and will say again and again.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
FEED THE ECONOMY – FEED THE ECONOMY with lots andf lots of immigrants.
MORE MORE MORE. GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH, PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT
Ireland NEEDS immigrants.
NIGERIANS UZBEKISTANIS, IRANIANS, AUSTRAILIANS, people from Malawi Africa, Asia – in fact – People from any of the 190 countries of the world have
AS OF OF RIGHT and ENTITLEMENT every reason on earth to EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AND WORK IN IRELAND.
THEY SHOULD HAVE THE VERY SAME RIGHTS AND SENSITIVITY TO THEIR CULTURE AS IRISH PEOPLE.AND EXPECT IRISH PEOPLE TO CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, AND THEIR NEEDS, WANTS, HOPES, AND WISHES.
This will of course not lead to any problems down the road in say 20 4–60 80 years Nah it will be fine coz we will have complete fools like Leon to sort it all out! Of course now the president of DCU a few years ago was heralding the fact that by the end of the century the “Irish” will be a minority within Ireland and this is to be not merely welcomed but celebrated.
Call me old fashioned but it all seems crazy as heck to me.
UNLIKE YOU I AM OPEN TO PERSUASION WITH A GOOD ARGUMENT AND SOME HONEST DISCOURSE
BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS ISSUE EVER BECAUSE THE MOMENT A VOICE EXPRESSES A CONCERN OR DISCOMFORT LET ALONE CRITICAL TONE AND ANGLE
HE/SHE IS TAGGED AND GETS THE SAME TREATMENT OF ABUSE WHICH INVARIABLY REVOLVES AROUND ABSURD ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM ETC ETC
DONT WORRY YOU AND YOU KIND ARE WINNING HANDS DOWN SO YOU DONT NEED TO CONVERT ME – YOU DONT ME AT ALL ACTUALLY. BUT I WOULD BE A BIT MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO CANT OR WONT EXPRESS SUCH VIEWS AS MINE WHO ARE MARGINALISED AND ALIENATED WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
Tom N said,
July 5, 2007 at 11:23 am
Joseph,
Before I start, can you proof read what you write before submitting it? The last post was almost unintelligible.
There is a big difference between FG’s stance on ending the open door policy which does not benefit the country, and the demented ravings of a nutter!
As regards us FG’ers being crypto-facists, does that mean that we are frozen in time and will be thawed as soon as there is a cure for facism?
Is mise
Gerry said,
July 5, 2007 at 11:32 am
a crypo fascist is simply a secret fascist whose true intent will become clear when appropriate. I don’t really believe Sarah is one but that Enda Kenny has the look of a fondness for a 5 year plan about him.
i didn’t know FG had a send them all back policy? Looks like i might be on to something. At least Joseph will have found his natural home.
Tom N said,
July 5, 2007 at 11:50 am
“i didn’t know FG had a send them all back policy?” Do they really?
Where did this info come from?
Leon said,
July 5, 2007 at 2:58 pm
5 Year Plans are communist you dozy cunt. Joseph are you not dead yet?
Joseph said,
July 5, 2007 at 8:32 pm
No and amused at the total nothingness of the past few posts. Wannabe smartass fools who have no points to make.