Comments on: The election http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/ An Irish woman's social, political and domestic commentary Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:50:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Election Outcome - reasons to be cheerful. » Blog Archive » BifSniff http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-82235 Election Outcome - reasons to be cheerful. » Blog Archive » BifSniff Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:39:22 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-82235 [...] spotted this now - a quote from Sarah Carey on why she is cheerful despite Fianna Fail being back in government… So why am I cheerful? Because I've decided to stop feeling guilty about the children's [...] [...] spotted this now – a quote from Sarah Carey on why she is cheerful despite Fianna Fail being back in government… So why am I cheerful? Because I’ve decided to stop feeling guilty about the children’s [...]

]]> By: Tom http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-77532 Tom Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:51:03 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77532 Crewser, Forgot to mention: Outgoing govertment parties before election: 88 seats. Outgoing goverment parties after election: 80 seats. I get the feeling that you will blame the Greens for the economic downturn! Crewser,

Forgot to mention:
Outgoing govertment parties before election: 88 seats.
Outgoing goverment parties after election: 80 seats.

I get the feeling that you will blame the Greens for the economic downturn!

]]> By: Tom http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-77529 Tom Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:44:15 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77529 Crewser, You have just proved my point about reasoned argument being replaced by opinions. I fully accept that FF are almost certain to lead the next government. However my contention is with the forum here, which is truly a wonderful website and up until now has been wonderfully entertaining, superbly written by Sarah, occasionally controversial, but always addictive. I think anyone who reads your posts and sees your contention that the PDs have more of a mandate than the Greens will have their mind made up about my point. I don't like the Greens especially, but Greens 6, PDs 2...it's hard to see any form of logic in your argument. No doubt you will want the last word, so knock yourself out. My contention that argument and discussion has been replaced with opinion still stands. I am now just waiting for you to prove my point! Crewser,
You have just proved my point about reasoned argument being replaced by opinions. I fully accept that FF are almost certain to lead the next government. However my contention is with the forum here, which is truly a wonderful website and up until now has been wonderfully entertaining, superbly written by Sarah, occasionally controversial, but always addictive.
I think anyone who reads your posts and sees your contention that the PDs have more of a mandate than the Greens will have their mind made up about my point. I don’t like the Greens especially, but Greens 6, PDs 2…it’s hard to see any form of logic in your argument.
No doubt you will want the last word, so knock yourself out. My contention that argument and discussion has been replaced with opinion still stands. I am now just waiting for you to prove my point!

]]> By: The Crewser http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-77518 The Crewser Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:40:30 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77518 Tom lets get back to the real world here for a minute. The only ones who have a mandate to run the country and govern for the next five years are those who can actually form a Government when the moment comes. Enda Kenny and Pat Rabbitte put forward their alternative to the parties in power. They were roundly rejected by the electorate. The Mullingar Accord, The Contract were all given the thumbs down by the Irish People. Its not rocket science Tom Bertie and FF were given the mandate to continue to Govern as they had done successfully for the last 10 years. Its an incredible achievement I know. Hard to stomach for a lot of diehard anti FF people. But its a fact. Get over it, Enda will have to, so will Pat. Its nothing to do with shouting loudest, its democracy, very painful for some but its the best system around. Tom lets get back to the real world here for a minute. The only ones who have a mandate to run the country and govern for the next five years are those who can actually form a Government when the moment comes. Enda Kenny and Pat Rabbitte put forward their alternative to the parties in power. They were roundly rejected by the electorate. The Mullingar Accord, The Contract were all given the thumbs down by the Irish People. Its not rocket science Tom Bertie and FF were given the mandate to continue to Govern as they had done successfully for the last 10 years. Its an incredible achievement I know. Hard to stomach for a lot of diehard anti FF people.
But its a fact. Get over it, Enda will have to, so will Pat. Its nothing to do with shouting loudest, its democracy, very painful for some but its the best system around.

]]> By: Tom http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-77463 Tom Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:43:43 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77463 Mandate? Everybody who gets elected has a mandate of some description. You can argue that the PD's have a mandate as thier only minister got reelected. You can argue that FF have a mandate as they have the most TDs. You can argue that FG have a mandate, as they were the only party to increase their number of Dail seats. You can argue that SF have a mandate as they still have four sitting TDs. This thread has turned into a "who can shout the loudest" forum. You can argue that Labour have a mandate as their vote held (inspite of loss of one seat) and they did quite well in some constituencies. But there is one glaring reality which seems to have eluded the posters here. Only the Dail can elect the government. Arguing here about mandates is "as useful as pockets are to a dog". Mandate? Everybody who gets elected has a mandate of some description. You can argue that the PD’s have a mandate as thier only minister got reelected. You can argue that FF have a mandate as they have the most TDs. You can argue that FG have a mandate, as they were the only party to increase their number of Dail seats. You can argue that SF have a mandate as they still have four sitting TDs. This thread has turned into a “who can shout the loudest” forum. You can argue that Labour have a mandate as their vote held (inspite of loss of one seat) and they did quite well in some constituencies. But there is one glaring reality which seems to have eluded the posters here. Only the Dail can elect the government. Arguing here about mandates is “as useful as pockets are to a dog”.

]]> By: liam http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-77264 liam Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:29:31 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77264 "Instead they voted for a continuation of the successful policies of the outgoing Government." Really, Crewser? Why did the PDs lose six of their eight seats then? Hardly a ringing endorsement of their successful policies. You may have spoken too soon about the Greens too, if today's developments are anything to go by. “Instead they voted for a continuation of the successful policies of the outgoing Government.”

Really, Crewser? Why did the PDs lose six of their eight seats then? Hardly a ringing endorsement of their successful policies.

You may have spoken too soon about the Greens too, if today’s developments are anything to go by.

]]> By: The Crewser http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-77226 The Crewser Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:24:05 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77226 Andrew, there is a world of a difference between the responsible attitude of the PD's (even with a two TD's ) and that of the Greens (wacky and irresponsible) When the Election took place on May 24th the Irish electorate had a clear choice and they certainly did not give the Greens any mandate to impose their destructive policies on the Irish Nation. Instead they voted for a continuation of the successful policies of the outgoing Government. Irish people are clearly in favour of developing infrastructure which is so vital to this country's future. The Greens want to disrupt this programme and therefore there is no place for them or their ilk in the forthcoming Government. This is just one issue, there are many others but on this matter alone they automatically exclude themselves from power in this Country. And Andrew I can see Mary Harney resuming her duties in Health in a few weeks time. Reform is required in this area and it will continue to be delivered. Andrew, there is a world of a difference between the responsible attitude of the PD’s (even with a two TD’s ) and that of the Greens (wacky and irresponsible) When the Election took place on May 24th the Irish electorate had a clear choice and they certainly did not give the Greens any mandate to impose their destructive policies on the Irish Nation. Instead they voted for a continuation of the successful policies of the outgoing Government.
Irish people are clearly in favour of developing infrastructure which is so vital to this country’s future. The Greens want to disrupt this programme and therefore there is no place for them or their ilk in the forthcoming Government. This is just one issue, there are many others but on this matter alone they automatically exclude themselves from power in this Country. And Andrew I can see Mary Harney resuming her duties in Health in a few weeks time. Reform is required in this area and it will continue to be delivered.

]]> By: andrew http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-77120 andrew Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:20:25 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77120 So the Greens are 'a bunch of weirdos who were given no mandate by the Irish people to dictate what type of policies should or should not be implemented over the next five years', Crewser? No danger of Mary Harney being allowed to continue her run of successes at the health department, then. So the Greens are ‘a bunch of weirdos who were given no mandate by the Irish people to dictate what type of policies should or should not be implemented over the next five years’, Crewser? No danger of Mary Harney being allowed to continue her run of successes at the health department, then.

]]> By: The Crewser http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-77082 The Crewser Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:20:35 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-77082 Thank god we are not going to have a "green" element in the new Government. That bunch of tree huggers would have us back in the ass and cart again. We have come much too far in terms of our living standards to have them put in jeopardy by a bunch of weirdos who were given no mandate by the Irish people to dictate what type of policies should or should not be implemented over the next five years. But of course Sarah you will jump on any bandwagon there is rolling to have a dig at FF. You may as well join the Greens Sarah as they are likely to be as successful as your current lot (Enda and FG) at convincing the electorate that they have anything worthwhile to offer them. Its a bit like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. Thank god we are not going to have a “green” element in the new Government. That bunch of tree huggers would have us back in the ass and cart again. We have come much too far in terms of our living standards to have them put in jeopardy by a bunch of weirdos who were given no mandate by the Irish people to dictate what type of policies should or should not be implemented over the next five years. But of course Sarah you will jump on any bandwagon there is rolling to have a dig at FF. You may as well join the Greens Sarah as they are likely to be as successful as your current lot (Enda and FG) at convincing the electorate that they have anything worthwhile to offer them. Its a bit like changing deck chairs on the Titanic.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-76422 Sarah Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:03:27 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/25/the-election/#comment-76422 Hi guys, well what fun you've been having! BRM - I was in the Phil scuze me. (though did speak at the Hist). I say cheers! to the Greens. After all my dire and consistently inaccurate predicitons, they've told the FnFers to piss off. Well done. Principals before mercs. I might even join up. Hi guys, well what fun you’ve been having!
BRM – I was in the Phil scuze me. (though did speak at the Hist).

I say cheers! to the Greens. After all my dire and consistently inaccurate predicitons, they’ve told the FnFers to piss off. Well done. Principals before mercs. I might even join up.

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