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		<title>By: Gavin @ private health insurance</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-334135</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin @ private health insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intrigued by the US health system, I am lucky enough to be from the UK and we Have the NHS, I cant understand why the likes of a country like the US cant afford to set something like this up, or is it the case they actually want to profit from peoples ill health?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued by the US health system, I am lucky enough to be from the UK and we Have the NHS, I cant understand why the likes of a country like the US cant afford to set something like this up, or is it the case they actually want to profit from peoples ill health?</p>
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		<title>By: Irish State slow to pay back money they robbed from the dying &#124; Eirbiz.com...Ireland...The Reality</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-120589</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish State slow to pay back money they robbed from the dying &#124; Eirbiz.com...Ireland...The Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Service which only turned out to be another opportunity for the beaurocrats who run it to further feather their nests. A year ago our government introduced a scheme whereby the people who were wrongly charged would be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Service which only turned out to be another opportunity for the beaurocrats who run it to further feather their nests. A year ago our government introduced a scheme whereby the people who were wrongly charged would be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Padraig O'Morain</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-77986</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig O'Morain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Co-located private hospitals will be very reliant on contract work from the public sector -  mainly thru the National Treatment Purchase Fund - for their survival because we&#039;re going to end up with more private hospitals than there is a demand for. What I object to is that they are  getting public land and that it would make so much more sense to open up more beds in public hospitals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co-located private hospitals will be very reliant on contract work from the public sector &#8211;  mainly thru the National Treatment Purchase Fund &#8211; for their survival because we&#8217;re going to end up with more private hospitals than there is a demand for. What I object to is that they are  getting public land and that it would make so much more sense to open up more beds in public hospitals.</p>
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		<title>By: Padraig O'Morain</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-74000</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig O'Morain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I wonder how many public beds are lying idle in hospitals which could be opened quickly and without building private hospitals if the funding was provided?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I wonder how many public beds are lying idle in hospitals which could be opened quickly and without building private hospitals if the funding was provided?</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-72206</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 08:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gutted after that exit poll. It&#039;s cool in Ireland if the leader of the country is on the take :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gutted after that exit poll. It&#8217;s cool in Ireland if the leader of the country is on the take <img src='http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-72034</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have no private hospitals in Ireland, we do have a State subsidised for profit hospital sector.

Crewser, the whole idea of universal health insurance is that everyone has the same insurance - only low income families have all or part of their premiums paid for by the State. Medical services are funded from fees paid by patients,who all get the same treatment. It has worked well in Germany since the 19th Century.

As for Fianna Fail&#039;s reputation for managing the economy - they have been surfing the wave provided by Ruari Quinn. They have consistently failed to use the economic riches available to the Government to improve infrastructure to the benefit of the more disadvantaged sectors of society. On the key long term economic factors... education, environmental infrastructure (waste, water and sewers), health care, housing - the basis of a modern post industrial society, FF/PD have failed because they confuse personal wealth for the few with a thriving economy.  Bertie&#039;s one major sucess has been to reinforce and reassure the new Haugheyite Ascendancy. Long term Bertie will be seen as having been as disastrous for Ireland&#039;s future economic success as was Maggie (who used North Sea oil revenue to pay for the long term unemployed she created). I could go on...but FF won&#039;t listen - they still suffer from the delusion that they can form a Govt with Labour.

Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have no private hospitals in Ireland, we do have a State subsidised for profit hospital sector.</p>
<p>Crewser, the whole idea of universal health insurance is that everyone has the same insurance &#8211; only low income families have all or part of their premiums paid for by the State. Medical services are funded from fees paid by patients,who all get the same treatment. It has worked well in Germany since the 19th Century.</p>
<p>As for Fianna Fail&#8217;s reputation for managing the economy &#8211; they have been surfing the wave provided by Ruari Quinn. They have consistently failed to use the economic riches available to the Government to improve infrastructure to the benefit of the more disadvantaged sectors of society. On the key long term economic factors&#8230; education, environmental infrastructure (waste, water and sewers), health care, housing &#8211; the basis of a modern post industrial society, FF/PD have failed because they confuse personal wealth for the few with a thriving economy.  Bertie&#8217;s one major sucess has been to reinforce and reassure the new Haugheyite Ascendancy. Long term Bertie will be seen as having been as disastrous for Ireland&#8217;s future economic success as was Maggie (who used North Sea oil revenue to pay for the long term unemployed she created). I could go on&#8230;but FF won&#8217;t listen &#8211; they still suffer from the delusion that they can form a Govt with Labour.</p>
<p>Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: The Crewser</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-71991</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crewser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 10:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our health system will become like that in the US in time as Consultants and Nurses demand more and more money and control. The answer will be that everybody will have to have Insurance Cover. The less well off who can not afford such will have to have it provided by the State and rightly so. The issue of Co-Location will be largely irrelevant then. This could happen in the shorter rather than longer term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our health system will become like that in the US in time as Consultants and Nurses demand more and more money and control. The answer will be that everybody will have to have Insurance Cover. The less well off who can not afford such will have to have it provided by the State and rightly so. The issue of Co-Location will be largely irrelevant then. This could happen in the shorter rather than longer term.</p>
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		<title>By: The Crewser</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-71985</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crewser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No omaniblog its from the heart alright. Im not a member of FF or PD&#039;s but I have a deep and passionate interest in politics. If people have good constructive ideas let them be put on the table or the blog or whereever.
Knocking people or Governments just for the sake of it I cannot abide. And there is plenty of that on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No omaniblog its from the heart alright. Im not a member of FF or PD&#8217;s but I have a deep and passionate interest in politics. If people have good constructive ideas let them be put on the table or the blog or whereever.<br />
Knocking people or Governments just for the sake of it I cannot abide. And there is plenty of that on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-71983</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, co-location is probably not the answer but I&#039;ve yet to hear a better alternative.&lt;/i&gt;
The better alternative is to build public hospitals. In order for co-location to be cheaper than building public hospitals it has to guarantee 1000 beds will be freed up. Any less and it is costing the taxpayer more than building public hospitals. 1000 beds will not be freed up by this scheme. At best we&#039;re looking at 300. It&#039;s fundamentally flawed because it does not address the reason why private patients are in public beds in the first place i.e. because they need services provided only by the public system.

Co-location is a nice buzzword and it seems logical when you just look at it from a distance. It&#039;s when you focus on the details that you see the problems with it. It&#039;s the same with decentralisation of public services, e-voting, competition in the electricity sector to list just a few examples. All nice ideas in theory but the implementation is disastrous.

For me the only real difference between the government and the alternative is the health issue. The government are pro-Hanly and the alternative are anti-Hanly. The Hanly proposals with their focus on centralised, specialised so-called centres of excellent at the expense of general, accessible, local hospitals are not in the best interests of the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, co-location is probably not the answer but I&#8217;ve yet to hear a better alternative.</i><br />
The better alternative is to build public hospitals. In order for co-location to be cheaper than building public hospitals it has to guarantee 1000 beds will be freed up. Any less and it is costing the taxpayer more than building public hospitals. 1000 beds will not be freed up by this scheme. At best we&#8217;re looking at 300. It&#8217;s fundamentally flawed because it does not address the reason why private patients are in public beds in the first place i.e. because they need services provided only by the public system.</p>
<p>Co-location is a nice buzzword and it seems logical when you just look at it from a distance. It&#8217;s when you focus on the details that you see the problems with it. It&#8217;s the same with decentralisation of public services, e-voting, competition in the electricity sector to list just a few examples. All nice ideas in theory but the implementation is disastrous.</p>
<p>For me the only real difference between the government and the alternative is the health issue. The government are pro-Hanly and the alternative are anti-Hanly. The Hanly proposals with their focus on centralised, specialised so-called centres of excellent at the expense of general, accessible, local hospitals are not in the best interests of the public.</p>
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		<title>By: omaniblog</title>
		<link>http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2007/05/23/private-vs-public-hospitals/comment-page-1/#comment-71978</link>
		<dc:creator>omaniblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,
I&#039;ve just noticed that your blog controller is putting the wrong time on posts: it&#039;s one hour out.  Any chance you would correct this please.  I&#039;m afraid your blog archive might be produced in court as evidence that I was in a particular place at a certain time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,<br />
I&#8217;ve just noticed that your blog controller is putting the wrong time on posts: it&#8217;s one hour out.  Any chance you would correct this please.  I&#8217;m afraid your blog archive might be produced in court as evidence that I was in a particular place at a certain time.</p>
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