Comments on: The New Road http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/ An Irish woman's social, political and domestic commentary Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:34:24 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: don http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-4913 don Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:23:29 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-4913 Did any of your neighbours try to force a cpo by getting a professional noise report done when the road was at design stage or what about the road designers enviromental impact study Did any of your neighbours try to force a cpo by getting a professional noise report done when the road was at design stage or what about the road designers enviromental impact study

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-4885 Sarah Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:18:38 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-4885 Hi Don, From our front gate, probably 200m. I suppose our biggest problem is that it then turns and we have it at the side and back as well. "People" always complain about people being pissed off with road building until "people" get half their garden CPO'd or worse still like you, don't even get the bit of cash from the CPO but still have to put up with the inconvenience. Unfortunately there is practically nothing you can do. Our neighbours have had various experiences. Some are like you: beside it but no land taken. Some had a tiny bit of a land taken for what they call the "road bed" i.e. the area adjacent to the road but not road. You'll get a couple of grand for that. Others had a good bit of land taken and here's how the compo works. They calculate it on a number of different criteria. How much land is taken, what proportion that land is of your total holdings, and the use of the land. So some did get a lot of money, but they are all hoping they can sell up and move on. I guess we won't know the impact on land valuations until they do. However, what you should do is get extremely friendly with the relevant engineers and make sure they put in as much sound proofing and landscaping as possible. We didn't do this and I swear to God, they planted all along the motorway and stopped at the bit in front of our house. Now to be honest, I am not panicking too much as I am assuming that the noise at the moment is the worst it will be. It's winter, there's no growth and none of the landscaping has come up yet. Perhaps in the summers it will be fine. Only time will tell. Anyway, if you can identify the project engineers and get them to draw in some trees at the bit beside your house, you'll have achieved something. Also, go to the Oral Hearings and see can you persuade the inspector to specify the various "accommodation works" and a TIME period within which they should be completed. Our accommodation works aren't finished and probably won't be for months even tho the road is open and they are taking in the money. They won't CPO you if they think they can get away with it. Try not to stress yourself out. I send snotty letters every now and then, but it only makes them hate me and less likely to do anything. But f*ck them. I'll get a column out of their bloody road yet. Hi Don, From our front gate, probably 200m. I suppose our biggest problem is that it then turns and we have it at the side and back as well. “People” always complain about people being pissed off with road building until “people” get half their garden CPO’d or worse still like you, don’t even get the bit of cash from the CPO but still have to put up with the inconvenience. Unfortunately there is practically nothing you can do. Our neighbours have had various experiences. Some are like you: beside it but no land taken. Some had a tiny bit of a land taken for what they call the “road bed” i.e. the area adjacent to the road but not road. You’ll get a couple of grand for that. Others had a good bit of land taken and here’s how the compo works. They calculate it on a number of different criteria. How much land is taken, what proportion that land is of your total holdings, and the use of the land. So some did get a lot of money, but they are all hoping they can sell up and move on. I guess we won’t know the impact on land valuations until they do.

However, what you should do is get extremely friendly with the relevant engineers and make sure they put in as much sound proofing and landscaping as possible. We didn’t do this and I swear to God, they planted all along the motorway and stopped at the bit in front of our house. Now to be honest, I am not panicking too much as I am assuming that the noise at the moment is the worst it will be. It’s winter, there’s no growth and none of the landscaping has come up yet. Perhaps in the summers it will be fine. Only time will tell. Anyway, if you can identify the project engineers and get them to draw in some trees at the bit beside your house, you’ll have achieved something. Also, go to the Oral Hearings and see can you persuade the inspector to specify the various “accommodation works” and a TIME period within which they should be completed. Our accommodation works aren’t finished and probably won’t be for months even tho the road is open and they are taking in the money.

They won’t CPO you if they think they can get away with it. Try not to stress yourself out. I send snotty letters every now and then, but it only makes them hate me and less likely to do anything. But f*ck them. I’ll get a column out of their bloody road yet.

]]> By: don http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-4847 don Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:39:06 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-4847 Sarah How far is the road from your house front. Cork County council are proposing to run a dual carriage way 25 meters from my front door and are saying i wont be cpo'd because the road runs just outside the edgeof my garden. I know people will say that this road is in the national interest but why should i have to put up with a drop in valuation of my house and excessive noise in the national interest ,i dont think the cabinet ministers or the people in Cork county council designing the road would. Sarah
How far is the road from your house front. Cork County council are proposing to run a dual carriage way 25 meters from my front door and are saying i wont be cpo’d because the road runs just outside the edgeof my garden. I know people will say that this road is in the national interest but why should i have to put up with a drop in valuation of my house and excessive noise in the national interest ,i dont think the cabinet ministers or the people in Cork county council designing the road would.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-4812 Sarah Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:01:58 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-4812 A word of warning to travellers intending to stop in Enfield. When you pay at Kilcock make absolutely sure to ask for a receipt. Then you exit at Enfield and you can stay for 3 hours and not pay when going back on. You are not automatically given a receipt - so make sure to ask. Finally, a lot of people are getting caught out leaving Dubin. As they approach Kilcock there is an exit signposted Kilcock and Clane. The person maybe going to Enfield so they continue straight on as per the signposting. Suddenly they arrive at the toll plaza and have to pay the €2.40. But they didn't want to go on the motorway! They intended taking the old road to Enfield. So sneaky signposting is catching a lot of out. A word of warning to travellers intending to stop in Enfield. When you pay at Kilcock make absolutely sure to ask for a receipt. Then you exit at Enfield and you can stay for 3 hours and not pay when going back on. You are not automatically given a receipt – so make sure to ask.
Finally, a lot of people are getting caught out leaving Dubin. As they approach Kilcock there is an exit signposted Kilcock and Clane. The person maybe going to Enfield so they continue straight on as per the signposting. Suddenly they arrive at the toll plaza and have to pay the €2.40. But they didn’t want to go on the motorway! They intended taking the old road to Enfield. So sneaky signposting is catching a lot of out.

]]> By: John http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-3777 John Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:35:54 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-3777 For what its worth in Clonard we now get to hear the motorway noise as a constant hum and we now have the low rumble of artics dropping down a gear and putting their foot down in order to maintain their 80+kph speed through the village as they crest the hill alongside St Finian’s National school. I would suspect the reason you are getting weird acoustics is due to the low frequency noise which diffracts around buildings, hills etc. A bit like the reason you can place your home cinema Sub Woofer speaker anywhere in a room and it makes no appreciable difference to where the sound appears to come from. Palm trees and similar dense foliage trees/shrubbery are very good at damping this type of noise. In the summer the grass will be longer on the embankments and trees will have leaves, all of which will attenuate the noise. Maybe somebody else knows better but their are strict noise emission rules for motorways in Europe and a Google for decibel levels coupled with buying/borrowing/stealing a decibel meter might give you more ammunition for the motorway people. Or at least it might provide more paper and clog up their waste paper bin :) John For what its worth in Clonard we now get to hear the motorway noise as a constant hum and we now have the low rumble of artics dropping down a gear and putting their foot down in order to maintain their 80+kph speed through the village as they crest the hill alongside St Finian’s National school.

I would suspect the reason you are getting weird acoustics is due to the low frequency noise which diffracts around buildings, hills etc. A bit like the reason you can place your home cinema Sub Woofer speaker anywhere in a room and it makes no appreciable difference to where the sound appears to come from.

Palm trees and similar dense foliage trees/shrubbery are very good at damping this type of noise.

In the summer the grass will be longer on the embankments and trees will have leaves, all of which will attenuate the noise. Maybe somebody else knows better but their are strict noise emission rules for motorways in Europe and a Google for decibel levels coupled with buying/borrowing/stealing a decibel meter might give you more ammunition for the motorway people. Or at least it might provide more paper and clog up their waste paper bin :)

John

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-3774 Sarah Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:18:22 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-3774 OK so we are not amused. We've been trying to figure out the noise. Here is the story. We knew that our house would face the motorway. We presumed the worst noise would therefore be at the front of the house. It is a "field" away so we built the house with our principle living space and bedrooms at the back of the house. A big back garden etc. But there is more noise at the back than the front! The road continues past the front of our house and sweeps around to the left and thus the side and back of the house. Theoretically this shouldn't matter because there is a hill between the house and the road and its further away. But whatever bizarre way the ecoustics work, more noise is coming from the back. When we are in the back garden, you'd think you were sitting right beside the bloody thing. I have no idea how sound travels. But this is not good. How can we use the garden for the whole summer? When the patio doors are open, its like being at Dublin Airport. I'll write a letter to the motorway people. I am sure they'll throw it in the bin. OK so we are not amused. We’ve been trying to figure out the noise. Here is the story. We knew that our house would face the motorway. We presumed the worst noise would therefore be at the front of the house. It is a “field” away so we built the house with our principle living space and bedrooms at the back of the house. A big back garden etc. But there is more noise at the back than the front! The road continues past the front of our house and sweeps around to the left and thus the side and back of the house. Theoretically this shouldn’t matter because there is a hill between the house and the road and its further away. But whatever bizarre way the ecoustics work, more noise is coming from the back. When we are in the back garden, you’d think you were sitting right beside the bloody thing. I have no idea how sound travels. But this is not good. How can we use the garden for the whole summer? When the patio doors are open, its like being at Dublin Airport. I’ll write a letter to the motorway people. I am sure they’ll throw it in the bin.

]]> By: clonard.org » M4 v N4 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-3626 clonard.org » M4 v N4 Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:00:45 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-3626 [...] Sarah Carey in Enfield posts some observations on the M4 and the attached comments are worth a read. [...] [...] Sarah Carey in Enfield posts some observations on the M4 and the attached comments are worth a read. [...]

]]> By: gerry http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-2378 gerry Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:24:22 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-2378 We should all be grateful to whoever was responsible for allowing us to skip going to Enfield. They're a fierce ungfrateful lot down there. I used to have a mad unckle Frank in Enfield, he could have used a grant for making the fields pretty, make a change from giving loaded shotguns to 7 year olds to shoot a rabbit was frustrating his greyhound. We should all be grateful to whoever was responsible for allowing us to skip going to Enfield. They’re a fierce ungfrateful lot down there. I used to have a mad unckle Frank in Enfield, he could have used a grant for making the fields pretty, make a change from giving loaded shotguns to 7 year olds to shoot a rabbit was frustrating his greyhound.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-2375 Sarah Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:03:13 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-2375 it funny you should raise that point Tom. I was thinking of doing a column on exactly why farmers are perfectly entitled to those grants on environmental grounds alone..... btw, to whom should I be grateful?...I think the German taxpayer is entitled to any gratitude. it funny you should raise that point Tom. I was thinking of doing a column on exactly why farmers are perfectly entitled to those grants on environmental grounds alone…..
btw, to whom should I be grateful?…I think the German taxpayer is entitled to any gratitude.

]]> By: tom http://www.sarahcarey.ie/2005/12/12/the-new-road/comment-page-1/#comment-2374 tom Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:56:46 +0000 http://www.sarahcarey.ie/wordpress/archives/2005/12/12/the-new-road#comment-2374 there's some truth in that. a couple of weeks ago I drove from Dublin to Omagh on Friday evening. I had been dreading this journey and particularly the prospect of an hour or so getting out of Dublin. As it turned out I escaped Dublin very quickly, got onto the motorway, exited after Drogheda, round the bypasses at Ardee and Carrickmacross, going very nicely - could hardly believe it - and then spent 30 MINUTES in a tailback at castleblaney. Castleblaney! its about 70 miles from Dublin, all that traffic that had sped through the country on their way to donegal or wherever only to build up the moment they came to a town with a t-junction. sarah your entire community now seems to exist on the basis of grants to make fields look pretty for passing motorists. more gratitude please. there’s some truth in that.

a couple of weeks ago I drove from Dublin to Omagh on Friday evening. I had been dreading this journey and particularly the prospect of an hour or so getting out of Dublin.

As it turned out I escaped Dublin very quickly, got onto the motorway, exited after Drogheda, round the bypasses at Ardee and Carrickmacross, going very nicely – could hardly believe it – and then spent 30 MINUTES in a tailback at castleblaney. Castleblaney! its about 70 miles from Dublin, all that traffic that had sped through the country on their way to donegal or wherever only to build up the moment they came to a town with a t-junction.

sarah your entire community now seems to exist on the basis of grants to make fields look pretty for passing motorists. more gratitude please.

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